okay whenever you're ready so I good
evening everyone I'm on that form and
onyx or and according started how
awesome are these twain matrix badges
for cyber con a lot of work goes into
these I was taking a good today there's
a terminal fact that they have a mud
with the computer is either and
programming language is just amazing so
I'm going to talk about tonight how I
went from zero to vendor 12 month I knew
nothing about hard work nothing about
embedded i only love badges and so
excited make one for myself i run the
antics or Twitter account i also go
under the name that that's my Twitter
handle their bottom look it's garden
leggings transcribed and oh there we go
so just before you started this is
nothing to do fine player so if anyone
hears from my work it's nothing to do
with you these are all my own views so
what is a anomic so where we get this
question a lot it's really nothing i
started out as three of us computer
science ee math majors we started off at
defcon 18 created the account walking
through the hall the def con 20 and the
purpose was let's go troll pit so there
are all these parties at def con 20 you
just have their party there isn't LOL
bitcoin party emily and everyone just
going crazy over these things like
makeup make party and they get people to
chase us around for it let me did that
posted some big tweeds you have people
to JS over the sort of age HP has been
fun so anyone to stroll by to apologize
so that's how we started the correct
pronunciation and not xorg that's
another question we get a lot just kinda
creative win so apologize
we're up to five members now we knew
each other from high school in college
so far a we have Andrew myself to zap
and the 22 members are I run in history
so what do we do other than trolling at
Def Con we like makes them so defcon 21
we had our ninja problems we got from 20
we're able social our way into getting
this boat we may be a Bluetooth
breathalyzer and has nothing more than a
nap you dial pound pound beer on the
phone and you get a breathalyzer you
blowing do it and if you have done
anything to drink that night you'd show
milk graphic you get a couple drinks at
Joe Heineken if you had a whole buncha
as maybe 100 or 150 15 or we never
register that anybody steadily def 122
we didn't do any projects now let's get
make that deprives unfortunate came back
at Def Con 23 and he made a hackable
life I that back so this was a raspberry
pi with a battery pack running the odds
84 bit wet and it was happy for beer
turns out no one wants to hack that he
get the honey pot we had beer and get
hackus so we we did get social
engineered for one they life is about it
so here's a beer that was kind of
disappointing tweet during the right you
go way back in her Twitter timeline at
the bow work starts we did leave L
patrolling step then that was a
screenshot of the webpage you got when
you login with backpack and there's a
simple login page reverse engineer you
get a rolling code that might hit with a
double watch so he gave us I could hit
up here oh it is def con 24 is where the
group really thought I didn't get 100
Twitter followers at 23 and my 24 we're
over a thousand he just dig your
exponentially and then for 25 we're
actually coming up with a vendor to
point out I'm gonna show you demo here
at the end of that what I've got so far
one thing we do is we do drink beer you
prefer craft beer and we home brew and
we prefer to do loi mix it up so it's
usually a combination of the two good
decisions are bad we kind of end up with
what we end up with oops lonely deputy
and I'm sorry about that it's only a
hundred and eighty four slides there we
go so Who am I I think probably cause
that I I've been coding my whole life I
learned basic at eight I taught myself
to be at ten and then wasn't not some
super C programmer but it was basically
crew hello world those type of thing but
this is what I've been doing this is
what I enjoy my badgers is of course in
computer science I got a master's in
seventh and in systems engineering most
of my professional career is instant
middle-tier doing so web services job
oracle PHP people XML I chose LP not my
fault that's what we did that was that
was of the technology of the time it was
a painful because you're wearing it up
how many gigabytes of ram do I did my
job virtual machine so it doesn't crash
and now I'm worried about how many
kilobytes of RAM who I had left in my my
micro-p yo it's exactly different world
five years ago I was promoted to
engineering management so now I could
work like no meetings I use office I
travel my life so I found that out with
we're doing kind of projects so it work
it's political it's interesting I enjoy
cooking your own but at home I get to go
and get my hands dirty equipment until I
the definitely orbits hardware is always
magic you just kind of worked I didn't
understand why didn't pay a lot of
attention my BB flat movie college they
like the code anymore but I got through
it passed graduated whatever so that's
me I'm also obsessed with electronic
badges let's test
so that's why I made my own and I'll get
to that second my first experience with
a defcon 18 i was actually late showing
it to DEFCON that year I got lucky
because they had a second wave of pet I
didn't know how lucky it was a lot of
people would be romantic I got one
really enjoy it one of the fun things
about the badge was single layer
aluminum and Miami paper display Jill
granted this design I still have it in
my workbench picture though but that was
kind of the work things that started
that's not 20 i mentioned the ninja
badge so we were able to social our way
to get a couple of these whatever they
badges at home when they have your
custom HTC HTC One V bones with their
own kind of stand on top of Android when
we acted to add anything like rick roll
on all sorts of other funny things
flappy bird and whatever hold on to the
dialects you can dial up the RAB you
wanted Niall the launcher we didn't want
touch into this so it looks dogging just
like a guy who birthday Jorge who I
meant introduced beginning he did the
film primeval at-bats 23 I caught him do
this like he can do it maybe I can do
this to do you think sold like hotcakes
I help sell them help to some of the
debugging some of the handing handing
out badges the post so this was a one
thing that really inspired the same
DEFCON there's a death haunts you guys
I'm never late again I do the badge so I
thought it was only deaf time 503 these
are just the group out of Portland I
don't pick me this one also went home
with that one from Jeff 923 be able to
LEDs on the fact I just like your
Cybercom but that said later one so this
is actually where we brought one of our
prototype vendors last year but the
layer one badge another nice one in my
collection this is a peacock four or
five with 20 different LEDs like we
we're done so I don't think you started
plus your tip that these were amazing I
traded to meander see at one the traces
on are just amazing led look amazing
they have 2.4 gigahertz RM the career
kind guys do a really good job on their
monitor edges not quite as a set that
status Cornell this is a picture him
from his own Twitter account right
around def con you got everything on
there I don't know how he got it all if
any of you were looking for vendors you
couldn't find one it is all you got
three you've got a prototype dinner at
my collect rated itself you've got
someone of like vendors in all the way
vendors so if you want what you get
three just signal okay so I love badges
are gated really be on to make my own so
the thing is come up homes a great idea
let's create a design nauseated with
vendor go make a whole bunch and then
we'll prob it right how hard not that
that problem is everything I knew about
Hardware on one's life series egg into a
plotter I didn't know one thing about
embedded microcontroller but the buggers
anything and that was a deathmatch 23 so
I got there 994 says that one learns
basic so we get your def con went home
on an amazon amazon prime if the the
arduino little starter kit you get has
all the LEDs and everything like that
you know soon i would you going to all
the different project that 50 / 50 get
your project and give this way to
temperature it was great how r did this
beat eventually migrated up to getting
some high five high timers up ebay
through to get one of those circuits at
the LED blinking my white cloud up
screaming ghostly the next step was the
largest hotter so if i was going to make
a badge i need to do something else
so here is kind of the the pinnacle of
Russia might get to actually soldered on
one of our 48 pins he compete chips onto
a breakout board within on a breadboard
dropped it on the tab detergent gristle
and actually be able to code it this
particular picture there is an issue and
if you donated type of work original
crystal I spent two days trying to
garrett whites and lashes thing because
there wasn't a crystal detail break once
I hang at that nailed down and I
understood how to solder I create a
project for myself yet then there was
still too far to our way they wouldn't
have accomplished yet so I decided while
I make a Christmas ornament for some
family ramps and quarters like you know
but this is kind of a bell and had LEDs
around the ring it played in Christmas
music really simple that the design of
the China waited for weeks hard to show
up and it actually worked so friends
enjoyed it and that was kind of a human
well my current design also up here i
have the 555 timer i took out the right
board and throat OPC beach can I do all
my clip rings are wrong sorry okay so
step or brainstorm so this is where the
group it goes it will what you need to
do hackers like bling let's put a lot of
bling on it and more Boing a more
blatant work way it's going to be
hackable we decide going clerking we
know for this guy so that folks and plug
it in to make sure that so you can plug
it in and programming to do whatever
they want to be at a couple folks to do
that make me a spectrum analyzer
employer we wanted the badge to talk to
other badges want to chat we wanted to
be able to troll each other we wanted
and always interesting things one Easter
eggs that badge is like
was it all sorts of E string very within
and not everyone will find it and there
may be Easter egg level will never be
down some what's up you want to do what
up games and we love better and no one
was really doing Futurama theme so
that's a week we put in there get some
kind of outlandish ideas we thought
about let's do password cracking let's
do spectrum analyzer only make it a
breathalyzer FPGA because why not put an
FPGA knows what board was going on there
NM te begun so we got into those ideas
out we kind of went through say what
parts of this required and then how
realistic or what the cost to that step
i would take those ideas and searching
prototype them so this is really just
gathering a much different parts coming
up with the different drivers what can
we actually do this and you know this
particular nokia display to see in the
top right we animate this a patent up
how does it look when we when we show
some sort of like we get quality matrix
display turns out doesn't look good at
all we do that one way I mean up
switching to solely displayed at the
bottom created some special light
breakout works we can get the radio just
FDLE easy to do those types of a turn on
a breadboard and you notice our design
team horns lon smart the turn on
breadboard and test it out our ranks of
our code this was about Christmas time
last year we did this and firstly fail
so still not very good at hollering I'm
better now that I want to put issues
with the shorting on these radiance so
it's like well they're going to short
while they're underneath the thought
want you to read the stock off the jet
or up the fec be well you know okay so
that's how I fixed it when we did the
actual badges we didn't surface mount
them much near
so step 7 instead of the bottom this is
going through all the prototyping and
figuring out the enemy and agreed every
single part we have bad everything from
creating for these resistors and there's
125 badges how many you need to buy new
Seldon and what God there and we get we
could know within which is a few pennies
whether i floating will take with him on
your left and crunchy was was really a
lifesaver brother pronto the Frenchie
behind it is helping that's all the pins
to make sure we didn't have any
resources imagination there's no I like
the magic project so apply it here so
once we kind of had our our bomb set up
and we knew what we wanted put all in
one on one place so it's a good simple
board soldering ready together with some
alligator clips on it order around my
neck work around the house why it was
really excited about that one to any
idea what I was doing but everything was
in one spot I use it and do a lot of
coding it sleep in one dled animation
better this is just kind of proving that
yeah all these components work together
at the same time the next thing was ok
take all that off the breadboard put
into a ppv we decided to do four layer
because why not do core layer we're
doing some RF we have to display we have
our five buttons we got our eight leds
almost everything is represented what we
wanted this is where we had in the nand
flash a theme that would work so that
was those our first real birthday from
here the lot of fails here too so USB
was backward the display we can mix them
in them to display our crystal footprint
was wrong or diet coke right or wrong
our sm8 court did not fit see yet made
that your head and that Clive away
button though it's really nice and
Diggle our facials terrible couldn't use
it I becomes likely to use it the little
black pieces actually came off just
rotating blades on purple the prototypes
so it looks really good at learning
reigns here when you get rated upon that
like made a light through the hallway on
your skin attic this is the schematic
you'll see our github if you're going to
pull it this is actually the final of
like we did certain scratch make sure
everything at the living right make sure
like a motrin or everyone that 12 was to
actually spin that each of these
evenings this was our very first call a
tender one I would white and black just
like the regular human fingers word you
also know it looks very different than
then the vendor you got def con so this
play was down at the bottom have a true
ol crystal and the primary programming
is oversee really painful and it helps
out a lot of ale so we realized that
there's an internal pull up on the reset
button and are the reset pin so when we
remove the external bullet that we had
on it we were vaguely distorting at the
ground so if you press the button it
short of the badge and reset the patch
problem was we couldn't get into the
emotion in them so that would an issue
USB with also screwed up still we're
missing some sort of resistor on there
why would you ever put the display
covering about the better I don't know
that was just a tad addition it's like a
signature part of is that but it's look
so it's kind of figured out what we had
with ender one except those the bike
parts and a lot of hearts every day I
come home from work in there be some
Hawks in China I'm probably under watch
list now because the number of budget
leprosy the top left those are all the
displays that came up really concerned
about those because they trying to tend
to sell those in four different variants
and I want to make sure I got the exact
same thing out I didn't care about color
I cared that the tan worker was a scene
and they're all over the map with which
one there's well turns out they're all
the same a good only a couple or failed
a lot of luncheon and flashing and
bunch of digi-key and Nasser works as
well and even more parts radios we have
the bunch of batteries maybe about eight
hundred batteries for the project as
well as much of antennas and then boxes
and boxes of LED from various other
components now we have the parts and we
enter so we learned with vendor 172
really go back in come up with a new
prototype so this is fixing that reset
button moving the display Jose some
things cleared bender to find cord oh
you got on these one in person I
everyone would be it actually works we
will clash over USB if you run resistor
to one of the i/o ports I actually work
at layer windings great but it also
hasn't failed you do in its owner all
hail does it do some tails here so USB
as I mentioned it not it was not
recognizing the IP device oh yeah linux
or windows is missing never disturb the
other thing I learned is this phenomenal
ground nails and as a computer scientist
is contributing more content to me so
behind the display where we put the
voltage regulator switching regulator we
had the massive turn loose and when you
have massive current loops interval did
regulator switching regulator you get
alternating current on us loose and that
creates the mass of electron
electromagnetic eel on the back side of
the display the radio so we're sending
RF or reciting electromagnetic energy
through a radial that didn't exactly
work very well for archives and receive
the way we pick that in the final design
move it down so there's your bigoted
physics with numbers
that's 70 to finalize the highlight look
easy jeez what we did here is fixity
issues with bender too or just a few
from China make sure they work the way
they vision or put in the big order for
the 380 TV or whatever those are the red
ones they work just fine wedding license
the rest of the order for the black and
white production how hard can it be you
just 175 times right so you take your
simply with onion your solder paint put
into an oven say after your average put
me forward and then your organs out like
magic perfect I love this picture I
every time I top and applied much for
Gators have stopped it's there for
summer you can just look so so nice
however that the basic production fell
so that's the first the first been
dating female when I'm watching it here
it would be with all the graphics we
have a really bad way too flashy
graphics on with a nand flash you would
basically serial inner serial cortical
you send one bite badgers hon but okay
another fight okay you don't know if the
Badgers you got the right leg it's just
go by and that's all we can come up with
timing edge before death Connor in a
work to get all the badges flashable
look smart so it's s19 283 s repeat that
100 w four more times so I spent most of
first weeks of July we had our big
solder partner in the whole group is
coming up with those BTW visas cop and
i'll just two layer just doing a reflow
it did maybe 150 of those almost two
weeks kids go to bed i go into garage
and dishonor and then we had our solder
party / / weekend beer cider okay go
wrong and we came up with even my badges
and that was before debugging so after a
fire party I was in the garage debugging
pixie pens yes adapted and we had a lot
of failure so that the number one
biggest failure solder bridges and it's
affected our spy bus or le Veon shorts
the MCU the top right easy there those
are obvious you can see those with the
naked eye you need to put it under a
microscope you could fix them right
there and that's usually when it came
out having us that's usually have a look
if there's an issue the badges had a
problem do you always are flashing and
then we start to set them you need to
get over here you would be you know user
screen corruption or radio it work you
look into microscope you get these get
these tight little solder bridges here
the one on the right not so bad you can
see those my yourself alone the left you
have to have it just in the right light
computer reach there so some of the
design shoes and if I to go back to New
it again which I would actually I don't
plan to better one over again if I had
to putting three items three devices on
the page five of us is very hard it's a
bad idea don't do it especially when
you're you're you know radio that always
receiving yours in packet give it a
slave you're animating and even in class
you get data off of the display so I was
having all sorts of resource resourcing
texting issues and chemicals it was just
a royal pain here's the problem is drop
packet like wing pool bag is off the
bumper pass know you have the next time
I he back around after after some sort
of screen dry river so we just draw a
packet so the place in house checked in
with those engineer corrupted memory a
tubby roads a flash if the display did
you slip PPP with the next run but who
is a royal pain RF traces are very very
hard just don't do it if you're a
first-timer like me
so you can think about it I did it it
was not a good idea most of our badges
in trim that we not really sure why
there was a night ed return on the RF
trace and may have accounted for a lot
of it I really impacted the mugging much
they all could receive from a very short
range we did test three good omen week
ago about 300 yards an epic on English
so largely we had a plan for mass
rickrolling that would not successful I
did make a special device with
battery-powered that would just send the
rickroll command every second so we've
walked by groups of vendors and then
just watch all the beds go into control
mode and then when they quit they
wriggle by the NSA moment for that but
it wasn't will be in reasonable point so
the depth on 25 bed our original plan
for cyber cod with hazel be right in the
middle of our Kickstarter campaign if
everything goes as scheduled well he's
like are common and do it kick that no
longer the plan is a lot of 12 hours
completely blew us away completely we
had no idea we thought I'd be like
beautiful take me 112 hours so just
ignore that so this is the badge so
probably cancel every to talk about
regano the this one ship is over got 0 b
& E 300 is the Nordic an hour nrf2 arm
cortex-m cortex chip you're using a 32
this is an in three last year this year
112 k plus or Abraham's lucky to a whole
lot long with that I think the last year
we are using daily 4.2 and we have an
integrated tennis so I don't have to
deal with large reason anymore we're
going to do that more me an interesting
story here I just cold-called or holding
out there their support death today
megatons handle and with a couple hours
you an email back from CEO thank hey I
mean China let's hook this guy up how
these this whole staff
he sent me ten tens of ten cocks and
then oh by the way I'm a black badge
holder from Def Con and so is the
co-founder so they hook this up with a
really good price on model exotic so
that's we're evening appear kind of a
virtuous with different hip hop as well
we're using 128 128 one point mortgage
co ltd so let's double the pixels we had
last year at the time I helped these
lives are pushing on making a frames per
second as of this week up to 23 so
definitely faster and it's over an E
major by bus despite the part I'm most
proud of rainfall that if you do the
math on that at 16 bit color the bus is
saturated sunday night or seven hi Sandy
I've heard that it you can get about 50
/ saying you're doing wrong so I'm
pretty proud of the driver i'm using
here is all DNA we've upped the number
of lena the number of le the hutton per
set so even more plate we're bringing
him to tell me ambient light sensors
from last year turns out a lot of people
really like the tilt feature that you
can use it up set out for erie the PCB
is twice the pie three times and also
means its vortex hot but nothing
interesting we've also car battery light
will be about thirty percent better
where the measuring they have is we're
about 30 cutting down our consumption
minimal work profile where we work and
our best eight last year I before I
torbert some changes to disability
issues that so far be doing very well
we're also doubling it quantity more
than that one's watching this year so
we'll be more than twice as many on hand
at that's not add to the Kickstarter
hopefully people wanting to get it good
design how you probably seen our eyes
are others are so its a mix of hunter s
thompson here loading Las Vegas and of
course vendor we went through a lot of
different options everything
transformers Pikachu
middle is a popular over there the end
of the game that whatever we had a bunch
of design that will I believe why we not
do bender that's what everyone said
vendor badge we stream bender in there
with this fear and loathing design and
here's the picture so you guys are
actually the first ones to see that red
vendor that's our we follow one
manbearpig remeber pinner who prays for
the project don't weigh anything week
now before ready to thank yous it is
afraid commander big two is on a red man
terrific trees on the left actually hit
that one back in my hotel room that
picks a lot of hardware Shuba gasm fails
academ on the revision to veg and you
can see just how much figured it versus
last year so some of the main features
and I could give away everything but
we're we had a lot of link now you go
through all the combinations of winging
it in the right house over four or five
hundred different modes or a possibility
we hope to have just one hundred just
out of the box but you'll be able to do
some interesting things with it we are
going to interact at match next game a
little bit behind including that right
now but we have some big plans they're
recorded plucking z34 much already and
their color oh the critique I got on
ev'ry was a there's no there's no
snowman p.m. so i think we're a private
a man bear pig just speaking the bid 800
there just time right you know her tip 8
or super tific there's usually a
beginner type of paper you military
development never dug emulators this
whole project for me about learning so
we have a chip eight superchip a teeny
later we have to the pic games that
already and they're either running quite
nicely so we have a term how you're
going to hear this probably bring your
own blink the idea is we want you to be
able to add your own wing modes to as a
bad day not you know go spend two days
in your hotel room or in harbor actors
have been doing it watchu doin in a
couple hours from your
so bring your favorite gifts make sure
they're square the streets square will
provide instructions and very useful to
hit the time we wanted to do what you
came up with we're also considering some
add-ons will probably publish them
visible stacks which i think is even
some 3d green that's the most folks ask
for that there's some other big features
we can't reveal yet little over the cap
oh this works so one of the things one
of the biggest requests of easy okay
with a switch we turned it on last year
with planning like removing or putting
with battery so we've added that real
simple same three batteries or we go
some sponsors and make it possible so
this is rui the more type of Monica last
year genelia try to cover and is it
river yeah okay see the demo God's your
level of that one end up here coming
group all right subway so this is one
new mode you'll kid like that claims if
you hit the trouble of the camera which
she looked down at me you see there any
of you
and that's it this is running 90 on a
per second the other one it doesn't join
dreamer so there's the baby cry so those
are the those are the built-in books
we're not showing you bring your plane
yet we go our reveal all the way it
works yet some of the games getting it
please listen here probably not we will
make it going to fulfill the content of
your person Ygritte your chocolate
chippies this wonderful aunt is
revolting let's roll
the chip 8 was a new of the sharps and
it was from the 70 that's kind of
interesting following on the Internet
people ported it to HP calculators
handsworth have been put on the pads
pretty much there's a fun learning
experience now yes I'm gonna say well so
that's all I'm allowed to reveal today
we have others that I quickly removing
the code afterwards if I have some tiger
welcome to come down don't want the way
of it what we could be more slide that
promise nuts get something I learned
honorees not hard I get that harbors he
magical muttering also did seem really
hard visually nuts it just takes a
little bit of practice state of their
hand drivers are not too hard either
last year I didn't I didn't write
anything my drivers I collided right one
at the end once I was kind of hopin to
myself I brought the flash driver this
year I've written all my drivers so it's
that's been upon expiry I'm really again
I'm really proud of the display driver
on the next year dash because it's worse
than all my time there's a put a handy
close-up on hecka do it kinda explains
you know where they will optimize it
with DNA so that's been a lot of fun one
thing if your team up making a badge or
any server project like this think about
your end user in our case the drunk
DEFCON hacker designed for them make it
reliable make sure you plan battery life
so that if they leave a lot and I are
prohibitive lips which we hit they got
the battery will still work up some day
they're not gonna plug in USB very well
so
you think of your end user one thing
that we worked at good last year but
we're working on this year migrant
failure so corte site many times we just
got our my wife is a picture we've got
our provision of the tpes those iterate
through your design I your schedule for
that add flexibility to the design so
intend that your unique change
components may change a resistor here
password there make sure there's some
room and visit like do that the other
thing imply spare parts yes of you so in
ours the display is great gradual so we
have wheeled up if Vera what's coming
and we have an easy way to replace last
year's there nearly impossible or
blazing hot air nothing I've learned is
harder is not heart shape the right
tools they did all offender last year
with health oscilloscope no logic
analyzer which is interesting because
now I don't know how you doing that even
school so I have open those on my
prevention production is very eat
underestimate do you think you have is
able to sign let's just go make a bunch
of these that's hard your supply chain
really you'd be matched yet you go back
to the fill material slight I have you
have to know every single part where
you're getting it from winded where they
showing up china we actually place
orders for NC use Holly early makes we
playing hi they bother Shivan they just
didn't ship and we bring back them up
layers and won't worry they didn't reply
to our emails or anything the personal
panic mode we're getting within a couple
weeks of it what we need to do our
production we are going to use so we end
up placing orders to three different
sellers and then getting the courts
piecemeal we ended up making the conv
the you just yet understand where things
kind of trouble so design for production
so figure out how are you actually going
to put these together how you going to
assemble them what's the process going
to be and in court that in your design
so that you're not creating so much
extra work for yourself because if you
don't your reward is you're lugging
could take a long time I could speak
with a personal yet probably a
40-percent failure
rate of edges and it would be a
pre-recording her magic mankind just
getting to work whether it's a shorts
liya issues and service honor RF again
is very hard I'm not like 11 keymaker
look easy but it's ours the cure of you
against raclette it up like I can look
at putting for day and think it's okay
ship it off and it comes back with an
air we're right and Michael look out for
our would have identified additional
again even tickets like your mom if you
figure out your cost per match based on
the bottom you're going to fail your
cost is much greater than that it's
usually double different times I just
with all the prototyping it's a very
very easy thing to miss software matter
Zane touch a lot on top we're here
because this one thing that my better at
the hardware but started coding early
work on your drivers really iterate
through it feel free to throw things
away if they don't work and I are giving
our high heat sucks okay I don't have to
use it this year i love it i have a
class i GV it's great if you look at our
github who notice that our clown these
are very short we're doing up with all
of your files have one copy overflow
that bigger than the drop that knee it's
a real pain if you have a pilot's or
something s you have to go three click
down the hitters that's why our pilings
are short so the argument idea is only
good for small projects not predicting
elected those things you this cage will
figure out why do you need to production
we need parts again it and then make
sure you track to it and for me it's all
about learning something new I wouldn't
have done this project unless it was
Portuguese it's a word soldering or
learning design learning drivers or
whatever and even this next year even
though I kind of have a lot a lot of
experience this is a short my life I'm
still learning something new and that's
really motivating me it's like they
don't migrate I'm doing this I don't
really like a new games my kids what
they go to bed I'm in the garage coding
I just might have my leg
yes oh Jesus catch you later good rah
rah well yes yes I know so is the driver
is highly tuned or push on this your bed
or the regatta or the RF 52 as well as
it complain so it's not going to work
very well though their billing devices
there is an abstraction layer on top of
it they will handle and why I draw a
line or draw a circle or I want to draw
this get mad right to the thing but even
that's still sort of awesome ice crusher
yeah hbu bush yeah hold it kind of here
ramp up time Amanda he said about a year
but it's really felt comfortable with
this like what role of that roof I play
it in feel comfortable until death
hammer hey mostly because 1 i'm risk
averse so I was showing up with a bunch
of money money out of pocket in this
project and we have some handsome play
on Twitter and people are excited about
it there was only comfortable that I
don't think that people would like i
mediate something i would like i was
really comfortable and building up Hobbs
on the night for a was there is crazy
night for repairs that was that would
probably want to feel comfortable even
even now sell anything or anything and
not not yet i don't really use the right
terms if i don't have years and years
and years of tag around here though
maybe as far as the coding and harbor by
drop more time there huggable the
project was it and those are so I late
the experience at that cock or couldn't
be all more than 100 feet without being
stuff where we got mobbed in the night
floor where its content my clones
conically vibrating or Twitter
education like Gia badges you have
badges IRC is going crazy that was a
real motivator for doing this year the
overwhelming that is an introvert I
really do I really did enjoy that I'm
looking for these are things that were
most year yeah I'm still taking them No
so we're even you'll notice our costs
went up one easy these are much more
expensive we are having them never hated
worse so part of my risk aversion last
year with that's way too much money to
drop on a project at making the travail
this year were a lot more confident that
people are going to want to buy it we
had the Kickstarter that it's crazy so
we are paying for services you that's
one of the big drivers aren't probably
is a data point popular badges careful
this here once and that's after some of
our our help if the kind of project we
wanted you last year I couldn't go down
yeah any chance can get every see you
hit another per page actually as you can
tell me one right here it's not my
creations is a semester and with Charles
a hat yeah it's really cool you come to
love without making like different
futurama characters and any time you
have with your mouth you but then why
would view ago yeah corn 80 tiny prime
write down anything that you've done
this before you you know I'm creation
wire but anything you change the DVD is
I know you get tooling costs and your
conscious love exponentially so you try
to make sure the design is I hit on all
parts are the even switching colors is a
real paint the picture will probably
just do one color you may see some
others like that rip one or a blue one
which is our cookie TVs i have it on my
weight room but probably do one color
easier
any other questions all right thank you