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okay
oh
all right everyone thank you for coming
this is uh duck and cover 2.0
how preparing for the end of the world
can prepare you for anything
so i know a lot of you guys stop by my
booth
try to hold this we're going to see how
this works
so
my name is joe jones i am affiliated
with the cold war museum in waukesha and
i also have my own personal collection
of civilian civil defense artifacts
which are displayed on a table in 102c i
believe so if you haven't stopped by
please stop by
it's really really cool
and so what we're going to do today is
we're going to basically
go over how you can
apply what was learned in the cold war
through those civilian civil defense
pamphlets
to everyday things that you might
encounter and you're like wow that's
really a stretch
yeah it kind of is but you know you guys
will really enjoy it so um
when i was creating this presentation
two years ago i had decided to
not go over nuclear war you know if the
bombs were to fall because we were so
far away from that that i'm like you
know what yeah we really don't need to
cover this we can just go over the
pamphlets and then go right into the
meat of the presentation
so um anyways
so we're going to go over how to
describe how to survive a nuclear blast
um it's really relevant today
so
step one
don't be under the bomb
there we got it so but actually um
before we go over how to actually
survive a nuclear blast and this will
only be about 10 minutes
uh we're going to go over um
kind of the nuclear threat that's going
around today
so uh
in the past when i've done this it's
been really hard to find updated
graphics
uh going over stockpiles and going over
um what would actually happen in a
nuclear war and thankfully or off
thankfully i now have updated
graphs and charts so what you're looking
at right now is 2022
it is updated on nuclear weapons per
country
so just to go into a little bit of
background one or two hundred missiles
could pretty much destroy the world and
when i say destroy the world just plunge
us into cold darkness kick a bunch of
stuff up into the atmosphere just
generally make it miserable for people
and so now you're seeing that um
america has about fifty four hundred
russia has about fifty nine hundred
we're not exactly sure of the numbers
completely and we're not exactly sure
how many of them actually work
but um it's pretty safe to say if
everyone decided to shoot off everything
at the same time
um
yeah it's just not gonna be fun
so
getting a little bit more into the bombs
we'll go through some of the uh
bombs that were some of the most
devastating so this is a nice graph from
2017 the two really little dots you see
off to the right are
hiroshima and nagasaki
and this is the scale so you can see
that
the bombs get increasingly larger with
the u.s firing one off in 1954 called
b41
and that was the most powerful one done
by the us
and russia kind of trumped us a little
bit called the tsar bomba so has anyone
ever heard of the tsar bomba
oh that's a fun one so we're going to go
into a little bit about what the tsar
bomba actually did so
the flare was visible and that's the
nuclear flash that was visible for 620
miles and it was also observed in norway
greenland and alaska
the mushroom rose to a height of 42
miles and the hat
was
sorry the hat was 50 my uh the diameter
of the hat was 59 miles and it was 43
miles so it was two-tiered
that's a lot that's really really big
blast wave circled the globe three times
the sound wave their seismic wave
circled the globe three times glass
shattered at about 480 miles away
and the sound that was generated by it
reached so far
they couldn't even um imagine how far it
was going to go
so
the map there you guys see the little
red dot around here
that's where the bomb went off and so
they're seeing it in greenland and
they're hearing it all over the place
and the waves traveled for three times
around it was pretty pretty crazy
so
how many of you guys out there
and men and women of course how many of
you guys how many of you guys deal with
having to go someplace for your job so
something goes crazy and you actually
have to go there and fix it probably a
lot of you
now what would you say if 50 of the time
you wouldn't come back from that and
they would never see you again you'd be
like well this kind of sucks right
so the crews of the two planes that flew
this our bomba one of the planes was the
one that actually carried it
and the other plane was there to observe
it they were given a 50 chance of
survival and they knew this going up and
they were given a 50 chance of survival
however
it was more like 20.
but they wanted to be nice and tell them
it was 50.
thankfully both crews survived but the
bomb was so large that this is between
26 and 40 miles away
the shock wave hit them i believe the
shockwave hit them at 36 miles and it
caused one of the planes to drop a mile
because of how intense it was they
literally had to put a parachute on the
bomb so they had a chance of escaping
its blast wave
now when i was searching for graphics on
this this one kept coming up and i just
had to include it so it shows different
bombs it shows b41 it shows the tsar
bomba and it also shows earth going here
hold my beer
and krakatoa being 200 megatons to tsar
bomba's 50. so
i thought that was pretty cool
the anatomy of a nuclear explosion so
the bomb has been dropped
so now we're going to quickly go over
what exactly happens in the first few
minutes seconds and minutes
of the bomb going off because this is
important to being prepared
so the first thing you'll end up seeing
is the flash
the flash is very intense in all of the
there we go okay just tell me what i
need to jiggle the cord that's what you
guys are all there for
so you're the ones who
yeah you're the ones who come down and
tell me to jiggle the cord and then
it'll start working so okay so the flash
anytime you see a nuclear bomb go off in
a movie you'll see that it's a flash
um and some of the larger bombs the
flash can last the flash can last up to
a minute but it's mostly intense in the
first few seconds
so in those first few seconds if you are
unfortunate enough to be looking
directly at it you are going to be blind
now if you are looking in the general
direction the blindness could be
permanent or temporary it really depends
so
the thing to do is
that's why one of the reasons why they
say go into the shelters because you
want to avoid the flesh
and the next thing that comes is the
radiation and the heat this is almost
concurrent with the flash so when the
bomb goes off if you've seen any of the
tests you'll see that there's a flash
and then everything starts to mushroom
out and raise
that is because of the
radiation and the heat
the radiation there are two waves of
radiation the initial and then fallout
so the initial radiation comes directly
from the bomb that is the material
that's exploding
the heat is the fire wave it's the
heat wave and this is what causes a lot
of the damage
so the heat wave within the first couple
of miles is completely destructive if
you are outside you are a smoking pile
of ash if you are in a building
you could possibly be a smoking pile of
ash it depends on how close you are to
the explosion
the farther away you get out the heat
could be as simple as it stops at your
clothing
so it really depends on how close you
are two to three
two to three miles you're pretty crispy
outside of that you have a chance of
surviving
so then the blast wave so how many of
you guys have seen this house get
exploded
everyone has seen this house get
exploded so what is hitting it is
first when you see the dust
that is the
that is the um initial explosion so that
is the radiation part that is the heat
what you're seeing right now this is the
blast wave so this is the last wave
hitting the house so if you remember it
goes over the house and then it draws it
back in
so
this is a pretty good example of where
you want to not be
in a nuclear explosion
it initially travels over 2000 miles per
hour it does decrease significantly the
further out it goes
um
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in a five kiloton explosion the blast
wave destroys buildings within two to
six miles i know i put two to five but
it's two to five two to six and there's
um
a better graph here that shows the
possible blast effects of a five
megaton blast
so if you see ground zero you're just an
afterthought
somebody way far away is thinking gosh i
hope they're okay but they're not
within two to three miles is total
destruction
severe damage comes between three and
five moderate damage is between five and
seven that's usually where you can be
outside and be okay
and then between seven and nine miles is
light damage and anything after ten is
fine
so you're like oh okay well that doesn't
sound too bad
that's a five megaton
so we're going to look at a 15 megaton
bomb that just happens to be centered
right where we are right now
so we will be that afterthought we will
be that oh i thought they were in
milwaukee i hope they're okay
um
so i know it's a very small graphic and
i apologize but right where we are is
complete destruction if you guys are
familiar with
the area
waukesha
you guys are going to be okay
possibly
it depends if you're outside or not but
you can see just the massive destruction
that takes place
so
we wouldn't even know what hit us
and then wakasha would see a bright
right flash
then there's one more round to
make it through and that's the radiation
so this is the fallout
so fallout happens when radioactive
particles dust that's been kicked up
into the air comes down
you need to be in your shelter i like to
tell everyone that you want to be in
your shelter within 15 to 20 minutes you
are not experts you have no idea
where the bomb is coming from so some
people are like oh if it's 20 miles away
you have to do this if it's a hundred
miles away you've got five to six hours
you're not going to want to take that
chance you
see a flash you give yourself
15 to 20 minutes to get to your shelter
so
how can you guys survive
so let me tell you ever since this game
came out it's been really really hard to
find graphics online dealing with
nuclear war and fallout so i feel like i
almost had to include it because it's
everybody loves it
so um
the way you survive is by being prepared
being alert today means being alive
tomorrow
so this is kind of where we get into the
meat of the presentation it's basically
how can you apply
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what you learn from cold war pamphlets
and being prepared to how you be
prepared in your company today and in
your future
so
step one
one of the things that was touted in the
cold war pamphlets and by the government
is getting to know your neighbors
so getting to know your neighbors we're
stronger in a group
and being stronger in a group means that
you're more likely to survive if you
have people you can lean on so i picked
a really if you guys are familiar with
this this is the twilight zone
and this is the fallout shelter so not
exactly the best
uh example of neighbors but i thought it
was a really cool deep cut to put in
there but all these neighbors knew each
other so
if something happens to a neighbor what
is your first thing your first thought
is how can i help them
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so
how does this relate to work well
why on earth would you want to get to
know your neighbors or in this case call
your co-workers
so how many of you are i t
cyber security
you know okay so that's a fair amount of
you
how many of you i t guys like working
with your co-workers who are not i.t
we've got one bravo
so
i was in it for a long time as well and
i i didn't necessarily like dealing with
the people who would call me every five
minutes to reset their password because
they forgot it again
i'm in tech support now that's all i get
called about
so
the reason why you want to get to know
your co-workers is betty from accounting
right
you go to the company party
you get to introduce yourself to betty
from accounting
she has three cats did you know that
mitzi flopsy and mobsy right and
flopsy's on medication and betty herself
loves to watch the bachelor on thursday
nights and she also likes to knit and
crochet would you like to see some of it
it seems pretty like ridiculous right i
mean some of the small talk that you
have to do in getting to know your
co-workers
but
if betty feels like she knows you when
betty clicks on that email
that she's not supposed to and opens
that file that she's not supposed to
if she has a rapport with you
she's more likely to tell you what she's
just done oh my gosh i think i've
accidentally done something that i'm not
supposed to
rather than
close the laptop and go to lunch
right
so i know it seems i know it's like it's
not it's definitely not in my nature to
go out and meet your co-workers become
friendly make it a point to do that but
it really could save you some trouble
down the road if they feel like they
know you they feel like they can come to
you
step two is to create a plan
how many guys have to contingency plans
for anything it doesn't matter
oh
that's not the same amount of hands that
just raised when i asked if you guys
worked in i.t
so
in the cold war creating a plan is what
helped keep you safe how many of you
think that
these pamphlets are going to save your
life
how many of you think that these
pamphlets will save your life
they could
but what happens when you think you know
what you're doing you're less likely to
what
panic exactly
what happens when you panic
you drop the ball how many of you guys
have been in a really intense video game
really intense something to do with the
video game you completely forget what
you're doing and then you accidentally
shoot yourself rather than shooting the
person you're supposed to shoot
you button mash you're like oh my god oh
my god oh my god right
so
the whole thing about the cold war is
if you have a plan
you're less likely to panic
so this little graph right here
the way the cold war worked is the plan
started with the individual the
individual
learned everything he got the
information from the government the
individual learned everything he taught
it to his family then he had his
neighbors to rely on then the local
government then the state government
than the federal government
but what is the most important part of
that whole cycle
it's family and neighbors
how many of you guys remember katrina
what happened with the federal
government
it took them a very long time to
response
what happened to the state government
it took them slightly less longer to
respond
local government
holy crap we just got hit by a hurricane
we're going to do the best that we can
where did the help come from
to individuals and the neighbors
so
civil defense you had pamphlets these
pamphlets told you what to do you
memorize these pamphlets and you know
what to do any one of you could ask me
what are the steps to build a fallout
shelter what are the steps to stocking
your shelter what are the steps to
creating a plan i know because i read
everything on my table and that's only
like a tenth of my collection there's
way more at home that i just couldn't
bring
i feel prepared you could ask me in 2022
all the stuff from the 1950s and i can
tell you with certain confidence now
would it actually help me maybe
but at least i know what i'm doing and
if you know what you're doing you can
adapt
so does that mean that you have to make
pamphlets for your company
absolutely not no
no you don't have to do pamphlets
but it's not a bad idea to let them know
plans to let them know
your response plans now
we have to keep response plans
confidential in some cases but just
giving them a general overview step by
step if this happens we'll do this this
and we'll take care of it
if you have any questions contact this
person this person than this person
they know something's going on
anytime the network goes down i always
i'm like hey guys what's up
you know i want to know what's going on
so your co-workers are less likely to
freak out
if they know
that there's a plan in place
you guys
are less likely to freak out
if there's a plan in place even though
the plan
maybe covers half of what's going on you
still have a plan
and you're more likely to adapt
and adapt to the issue
and we've got to add step 2.5 in here
prepare for the worst
so
all of these pamphlets were written by
people who sat in a room and tried to
figure out what would happen
how many of you guys take time to
just figure out what would happen
so let me show you guys one of my
favorite pictures
server fire
that's no good
right that's scary
so how do you
prepare for the worst
my recommendation is
30 minutes a week literally put this
into your calendar 30 minutes a week
think of an issue
and think of how you would solve it so
it doesn't even have to be your issue it
could be oh
i read about this happening to a
different company
how would we solve it
just plan for the worst if you plan for
the worst you're prepared for anything
so
don't be afraid to just be like oh
okay so if we get a ransomware attack
how are we going to respond to this
or
if our servers become crispy
how are we going to respond to that
don't ever be afraid to just let your
mind go
and see because you never know how it's
going to benefit you
um i was reading i do a lot of
non-profit consulting
and so
this is when ransomware was brand new i
was consulting for that well it wasn't
it wasn't really well known
and i was consulting for a non-profit it
was a really small non-profit worth
maybe about like 100 000
and they got hit with ransomware
and so like i like oh you know actually
i think i kind of know how to handle
this so we got them in touch with some
people i think they just ended up paying
but they lost everything
what they lost wasn't
that important it was like a donor
database so it was nothing like earth
shattering it didn't stop them from
functioning
but like i was like oh you know i was
just thinking about this ransomware i
read about it on the news and then all
of a sudden like two weeks later it hits
this little uh little non-profit in iowa
okay
so um
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definitely
think about issues how would you solve
them it doesn't even need to be your
game plan but at least you have
interaction with it
have dedicated channels
so during the cold war do any of you
remember 6 40 and 12 40
radio stations
if you know old radios you'll see those
marked in red on the am
so
what the cold war had is the
civil defense had the connell rad
stations
and so those stations were how you would
convey information how the government
both local state and national would
convey information
you can even get the reception in your
shelters you would tune to these
channels and once everything died down a
bit
they would begin broadcasting then we
begin broadcasting um
instructions
so how can you do this
make sure that you have dedicated
channels in your organization so this
would work two ways
ways that people can contact you
ways that you can contact other people
so if something happens you want to push
that information out
you don't want to be where okay well the
server's down
we don't know how long it's going to be
down for but we're not going to tell
them anything
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so
you know even the littlest bit of
information
yeah so we're working on it
okay can i go get lunch
well you definitely can get lunch
so we'll probably be back up by the time
you get lunch
but
don't be afraid to convey information
and have those channels those channels
are important people are going to find
their favorite channel to contact you
that's how they're going to contact you
i have this really annoying habit we
have a ticketing system but i'll team my
team's my it guy and be like
you know does this really
need a ticket or can i just tell you
this like that's my own little thing
that's my own little hang up
but um they'll answer me they'll be like
yeah you should probably put a ticket in
for that or
oh it's broken try it again i don't
think it's broken and magically it works
so you want to have those channels and
again that goes back to knowing your
neighbor knowing your co-worker because
they'll be able to contact you with the
information that you push out and it can
be
as detailed or as vague as you want it
to be but throw them a bone
because that'll calm everyone
now you're gonna be like i don't
understand how you're gonna get this one
to fit
so create a shelter
the best way to survive a nuclear
blast that didn't directly
blast over you
is to be in a shelter
there were lots of different shelters
that you could make
for any type of household
so you had shelters that were
underground you have shelters that were
in your basement you had shelters that
you built in your basement you had
shelters that you built from out of your
basement
and you even had municipal
let's go in the right direction you even
have municipal shelters that could
shelter
between 200 and a thousand people
having a shelter was the most important
thing how many of you guys go camping
and you're like yeah no tent
now you need shelter so that's the most
important thing especially during a
nuclear event it provides safety
so having a shelter means that you are
safe you are sound you can zen you can
wait you can wait everything out that
you need to
you guys and not just the it people
everybody needs to create their own
shelter and by shelter i mean this is a
place that you can work
this is a place that you can come to
that you can get things done that you
can think
so my shelter is my basement but it
that's just because it's a nice quiet
place in the house it's not because it's
a fallout shelter i do have one but um
well you can't be into what i meant to
and not build one in your basement
because it's fun
um
but you want to go to that place you
want to have that place where everything
could be chaotic around you
but you can focus i have my little zen
happy place because when everything is
going a little crazy
you guys are going to want that one spot
that you can go to even if it's for like
five minutes
just to center yourself
to think about what's going on to think
about your very next step
and then to progress
so that is one of the most important
things just like having a physical
shelter is important
it is really really important to have
that place where you can go even if it's
to give yourself a short amount of time
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and step five is to stock up
so stocking your fallout shelter is
really really important so fallout
shelters
the rule of thumb was after the bombs
fell you wanted to stay in your fallout
shelter for two weeks without having to
come out at all
and so by staying in that shelter you
are able to live eat exist
comfortably
for at least two weeks
after the two-week mark the radiation
would have decreased enough that you
would be able to go out for short spurts
so you would be able to go out and get
more food or you would be able to go out
and get more supplies you would come
back get decontaminated
and you would mainly live in your
shelter for up to three or four months
depending on how bad it was
but the rule of thumb was you wanted to
do two
weeks so seriously stock up us on as
much as you can
how many of you guys were fully remote
before the pandemic
that's really cool how many of you guys
had to go remote because of the pandemic
how fun was that
oh my gosh getting the computers that
everyone needed how many of you guys
have took a year to get computers
just to get computers my company it took
us about six to eight months to get
computers for everyone
we were using our own this
seven-year-old machine right here that's
what i was using thank god i spent a lot
of money on it when i first bought it
so um
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pretend that it's this fallout shelter
that you're stocking and you want to
stock up that's very important
especially for it keep track of your
equipment
not only keep track of your equipment
keep track of the fail rate of your
equipment you want to keep track of that
because
you can see what fails so you know how
much you want to have on hand those
people that went fully remote and if you
supplied everybody with everything
that's
mice that's laptops that's cords that's
cables the kind of security that you
needed the programs that you needed that
was a lot of stuff that was a lot of
work and you were forced into it how
many of you succeeded
i hope you all succeeded
you good okay you good back there okay
i hope you guys all succeeded at it but
it was hard to get the stuff
so knowing what you need and how much
you need and how often you need it
means that you can stack up
we're going through global shortages now
oh a tanker
coming out one of those cargo ships
coming across the pacific all that needs
to do is tip over and you can't get in
the certain usb cord that you need for
four months now so if you keep stock of
the stuff on hand you're able to better
run your
better run your departments so it's
really it's a really good idea to do
that
it'll also cut down on time and it'll
cut down on cost how many if you've seen
the prices rise
the prices are going up it's ridiculous
i tried to get a replacement cord for
this because i accidentally lost this
i found the one that i had because i
wasn't going to pay 300 for a power cord
so that's what happens when the machine
is seven years old if anyone has a new
computer you know you can just leave it
up here and i'll take it and i'll give
you mine um but no just kidding this
thing is beautiful i love it but um the
prices go up so you can cost save as
well so buying a cord now might help you
especially if you know you're not going
to rotate through your machines or
rotate through your equipment how many
of you have really old stuff
there were some power cords at a place
that i worked at previous that i didn't
even know i had never seen before there
were some connection cords to monitors
and i'm like
i've never seen this pin combination
before this is way before my time these
were old
so if you have old stuff that you insist
on using make sure you're able to
maintain that
so that's why you want to stock up
and the most important part
don't panic
you guys are all smart you guys are
great you're an i.t it's perfect
even if you're not an i.t you're still
smart you're here you're seeing me at
nine o'clock at night it's great
um
what you guys want to do is you want to
have plans in place
make sure that everything is going well
don't panic even if it's not going well
because you know what how many of you
have come across a problem that you were
never able to solve
okay yeah some of you but for the most
part you're able to get through as much
as you can
when you really need to and so if you
don't panic
what happens if you don't panic during
the cold war you're more likely to
survive if you don't panic during a
fallout event you're more likely to
survive so if you don't panic while
you're working even if that dreaded
ransomware comes up
you'll be able to go through it you'll
be able to survive you'll do well
and that's the real reason for civil
defense being prepared today means being
alive tomorrow so being prepared today
for you guys means that you will be able
to tackle anything that comes your way
are you successful maybe yes maybe no
but you'll be able to tackle it and
you'll be able to do the best that you
can do so i apologize this is really
really small
so basically it just goes over
everything that i've gone over so get to
know your co-workers create plans let
people know as much of the plans as you
can have dedicated channels of
communication
create a shelter a place where you can
go relax think gather yourself stock up
on the things you may need to try to be
ahead of the game and don't panic you
got this
so
any questions
so would uh indiana jones survive
getting in that
led fridge like he did in that last
horrible movie absolutely not i mean
just
just the psi from how close he was would
have just like exploded him from the
inside
no i i um um i got up and got popcorn at
that point i just couldn't i'm like oh
this is how the movie's gonna go we're
in trouble
so but no it was way he was way too
close
what they showed was
so
the blast that the house came from that
i showed you they had set up a faux town
to show the effects of the of the
nuclear destruction and so
indiana jones was in that town
essentially and so where he was he would
not have survived he would have died
from the psi he would have died from the
heat and he would have died from
embarrassment because it was just really
poorly done
any other questions
and it can be like about nuclear war two
what's up um so on the community uh
involvement level um
how uh how relevant is ham radio
infrastructure in that kind of scenario
context
uh hammer you was gonna save us all
honestly that is in any disaster
how many of you rely on your phones for
your news and your updates and your
weather alerts all right how many of you
are aware of how fragile the cellular
system is
so
um
ham radio helped in katrina ham radio
helped in sandy ham radio helps in
blizzards it helps in tornadoes um storm
chasers will often have ham radios with
them you can't
any technology that you can carry on you
you cannot rely on because of just how
the surfaces are set up the sun decides
to fart out a
solar flare it could take out the whole
system what's going to take over for it
ham radios
so it's very important in the cold war i
mean
in um the monsters are due on maple
street in the twilight zone and i know i
keep going back to the twilight zone but
they have a lot of cold war stuff in it
one of the guys is a ham radio operator
and they're like you're always in the
basement working on your radio
cold war is what really made ham radio
operations like explode so you had it at
the advent of radio so if you remember
like
1930s 1940s when there was like war in
the worlds
that's when individual hand radios were
really popular that's when people began
building their own ham radios but the
whole thing just took off in the 50s
during the
civil defense like you had ham radio
course
and you still see a lot of that today
yes any tips for survival when you're
living in a high rise
yeah actually i'm so glad you asked that
i know weird stuff like that so in a
high rise
no it's really bad my husband's like
shut up dude just like i've heard enough
about
so funny enough every time he goes to
new york i quiz him on in a high rise
so if you survive the initial explosion
and you still have windows
and you still have walls
you want to be in the center of the high
rise or in the basement so you don't
want to be on the upper floors that's
where the radiation can settle and it
can seep down you don't want to be on
the lower floor that's not a basement
because that's where the radiation can
also gather
so if you had a choice the basement
would be the best but the center of the
building would be
better than nothing
and i quit him every time he goes on a
business trip i'm like all right if a
dirty bomb goes off where are you going
to want to be
it's just like no you're shelters he's
like a
gun
but
i i'll be the one laughing when he
survives yes
um i'm just wondering so after the two
weeks is there any recommended type of
food that would after actually be safe
after nuclear glass
yeah so you want sealed food
so you want sealed food that has not
been touched by radiation so you know
radiation seeps into metal
radiation can attach itself to metal so
you want to stay away from anything
metallic so like glass jars
you want to stay away from produce that
is grown in the ground after the event
but if it is just sitting out in the
field
it's better than nothing you just want
to decontaminate it
so um
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food that is in like supermarkets so
cancer and supermarkets as long as
nothing is directly touching it
you should be fine your own food should
be fine and then anything that was
already ripe
should be okay
but again it's like
eat there's better options but if it's
between starving
you're not going to want to starve so
you you know
take your chances
yes how did they ensure that the radio
system you know that you mentioned the
am radio station how do they ensure
those kept operating after the event
well because with radio um
the way radio works is anyone can
basically set up a radio station that's
ham operation now i think with the 640
and 1240 i think that's one of those hey
we're prepared
we're probably going to get blown up but
we're prepared but the good thing about
that is they can boost signals so anyone
that survived they could boost the
signal enough to reach it but it's more
of you would be relying on ham radio
operators who have access to 640 and
1240 because
there's no guarantee that the radio
isn't going to be hit and where are your
radio stations back then they're in the
cities
so
i mean it's spotty at best
but we're pretty sure that some of the
radio could have continued but again it
goes back to that local
you know the local ham operator is going
to help you out so you'll be able to
pick up their bands
yeah yes in the blue
the day after is 100 realistic
so the day after if you guys have not
seen the day after if you want to be
horrified for the rest of your life
i recommend watching the day after it is
um
a portrayal of
lawrence kansas and what would happen
should a full-out nuclear war happen
it is horrifying i saw it in high school
before easter break once and it was the
most depressing easter break i've ever
had spring break
no i was like crying in a corner the
whole time
but it really does show you the effects
of nuclear war from
before
to
many months after and the thing about
nuclear war leading up to nuclear war is
everyone thinks you're going to know
about it
the day after is a more accurate
portrayal you just hear about little
bits on the news oh this country invaded
this country this country is moving
things this way
sound familiar yeah it was pretty scary
there for a while um especially for me
i'm like okay i gotta get everything in
the shelter now it's not looking good
but no it it really
a new a full out nuclear war actually
ramps up very slowly and then boom it
hits one thing happens
so i would highly recommend checking it
out so yes according to all the data
that they had it's 100 accurate
we have one in the back
two more questions oh no
it's really late you're expecting me to
remember two parts
no no you can do two just do one at a
time all right um
water like if you if your bathroom
happened to be the center of your house
you were in a high rise in the middle
and uh that seemed like the best option
could you still wash your hands or
shower
i wouldn't recommend doing any of that
you're going to want to save that to
drink
so you're going to save water to drink
you can get water from many sources
what's left over in your pipes it will
get contaminated very quickly so you'll
want to try to get that out as soon as
possible also you can tap your
hot water heater
to get the water out of there but water
is the thing that you need the most and
so you are not going to want to shower
it's going to get really rank
in the shelter but you're not going to
want to waste any of that for showering
or anything you're going to want to save
that all for food
you can use that space for other things
and you have a second part uh yeah so
let's say
russian terrorists managed to
compromise
a nuclear reactor of some story caused
meltdown
would that also have fallout or would
that just be radiation it depends
so if it's if they hack it and it goes
boom
then you're going to have a chernobyl
thing
um
there's actually really no way that they
could hack it in and not go boom because
what are they just going to sit there
and run the systems as normal no they're
going to want to pull the rods out and
stop the water from flowing so yeah i
know it's basically going to go boom you
can forgive me it's almost 10 o'clock
it's like an hour past my bedtime
so um
right yeah it went boom and
you know there was a contamination like
i was living in germany a kid at the
time yeah and i remember that we had a
backyard with produce like onions and
stuff and we had to refresh everything
yep yeah and and they had to do that for
about six to eight months afterwards
because it took them that long to get
the concrete sarcophagus on top of it
and um
yeah so yeah no my bad no it's gonna go
boom and then you gotta figure out where
it's gonna go and how many of it goes so
chernobyl what many people don't realize
is only part of chernobyl stopped
working the rest of it's still working
fukushima only only that one reactor
stopped working the rest of it's still
working so these are functional so if
the entire plant goes up it might be a
really really big problem if only one
part of it goes up then it might be a
chernobyl thing where it's like okay we
gotta just get rid of everyone that is
in the vicinity
but it's relatively small
as to how it could be
yes
so uh you mentioned
decontamination a few times
for somebody who's
maybe not so prepared what would the
best method like
oh my gosh a broom i'm not even joking
so
the way that you get ill from fallout is
it can sit on your skin you'll probably
be okay
it's when you inhale it and ingest it
that's when the problem starts because
then it just sits inside of you
so the best way to decontaminate in the
way they would recommend is you want to
get clothes that are pretty much
covering as much of you as possible
and you want to
go outside do your thing come back in
get brushed off in a neutral area before
you enter the shelter
ditch your clothes that you were wearing
come into another neutral part so think
of it like an airlock but you don't
really have one come into another
neutral part get brushed off and then
come back in dress and that's how you
decontaminate you always want to have
something cover in your face any orifice
so like ears nose mouth you want to make
sure that's all covered and you want to
like stuff that could catch like hair
you want to make sure that's covered
so yeah that's how you would
decontaminate
comments on emp
emp yes oh see that wasn't that big of a
problem back in the 1950s and 60s but
it's a really big problem now just
assume that all your technology is not
going to work
it is your cars aren't going to work
your phones aren't going to work tv's
not going to work unfortunately the
nintendo switch will probably be toast
as well so
you want to make sure that um you do
have an analog radio you wanna and that
just goes for anything like i said the
sun could literally fart out a solar
flare and the emp could knock everything
out
highly unlikely but that's that spending
30 minutes of thinking about the worst
thing that could happen
so you just want to make sure always
have an analog radio always have a way
of getting information that is not
directly reliant on technology
yes was three mile island really as bad
as people claim it was or was it just
overblown
if three mile island was really as bad
as they claimed it would be people
wouldn't be able to be around it right
now
um i think there was a real big push
see nuclear weapons and nuclear
facilities are two very different things
but a lot of people think nuclear is bad
um nuclear energy is some of the most
efficient energy but there was
a push to make it
all
not good because it's like oh we've got
all this nuclear waste what are we going
to do with it well if we've had it for a
while we would be able to figure out
what to do with it and we would be able
to dispose of it so it was bad
but i think
it could have been a lot worse
all right we got over there
the civil
i work with them
um we actually don't have a spot
so we have the old nike site which is
where we give tours out of but like all
of our collections um those are
privately held
so
we do give tours of the nike site though
so we do do that
um you would contact us like on our
facebook page to arrange that
um but yeah as far as we're working on
getting a site we've got a lot of cool
stuff if you guys have been in the safe
house
some of our stuff is in the safe house
it's really neat
we've been pushing to get a museum
i know my collection is available for
people who want me to bring it wherever
so um we're real cool like that but yeah
so we are open to the public it's just
uh um
invite you know you would have to just
contact us
so all right yes
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i think this might be a millennial
question but do you have a shopping list
of like
10 most valuable items that you should
add at home water water
water is the hardest thing to get is
something that you need the most so i am
never without a six week supply of water
in my house tries my husband nuts we
have a wall of water bottles
um but
the water is the most important thing
water peanut butter
no seriously you laugh peanut butter
lasts forever it's very high in calories
and so keeping a couple of really large
jars of peanut butter could sustain you
for three or four weeks not even joking
because the human body i think at rest
at minimum needs something like 900 to
1000 calories to survive and you can get
that trust from a long distance runner
you can definitely get that from a
couple of tablespoons of peanut butter
every couple of hours
so yeah i recommend that um radio
you want just a am fm radio just a
regular am fm radio so really that's
only the few things that you need canned
food
um is good to have as well but like i
said you can
do that with peanut butter
and um
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no this is a controversial thing but
something that makes you happy a book
a book of puzzles a deck of cards
something to keep your mind at ease how
many of you during quarantine the walls
were closing in on you
and it was awful and you just wanted to
get outside or you wanted to do your
favorite thing that you wanted to do now
imagine being stuck in a shelter
knowing that the world is ending
you know you want something that makes
you happy so if crossword puzzles make
you happy have a couple of those down
there if a certain board game makes you
happy have that down there so yeah it's
really an individual basis but water
water water water everyone in this room
should have at least two weeks of water
in their house
because like think about the ice storm
the ice storm in texas and how people's
pipes were freezing and they weren't
able to get water think of katrina how
they weren't able to get water
human humans die within three days of
not having water and i think it's like
two weeks of not having food
it's a lot of water water
all right i think we have time for one
more in the back of the blue hat that's
you yes um
don't don't use potassium iodide you
don't know what kind of isotope is in
the bomb and so it only works on
specific isotopes
so i mean you take it i guess if you
want to
but um
yeah you don't know same thing
um if you were to give me a list of
shelter supplies you wanted like a
dulcimeter a radiation detector don't
even bother i mean you're either gonna
get it or you're not
you know it's like if you're in the
shelter and you're detecting radiation
well i mean you're pretty much screwed
because that's your shelter
so um it's cool to have i have one
they're really neat to look at but you
know i don't recommend it and
i believe now like with the bombs like
none of them
use any of the isotopes that iodine
would fix
if
if i remember correctly that's kind of
digging back in the brain there
so right well i'll be available for
questions after this but thank you guys
for sitting through this really weird
interesting little thing that i put
together
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