all right
welcome to the podcast everyone podcast
slash
videocast and today we have a radio
statler
takeover we have uh the good folks at
radiostatler
joining us we got beaches bunny and
johnny xmas
christmas johnny christmas i i meant
johnny christmas i just read xmas
because that's what it says next to his
name so yeah
that happens sometimes and um
yeah well this is this is fun this is a
record
number of people on the podcast so we're
studying
cyphercon podcast records right now so
uh thank you guys for that um
had i known it was a competition i would
have gotten more on here so we were like
we could have had like a position ten of
us or more
on here you know yeah and in fact our
regular weekly meeting is going on right
now and we could have just rolled you
into that
yeah well uh we
probably still could do it you know if
someone beats you guys then i'll invite
you guys back and you can get the whole
rest of the crew back and uh we'll
have a hurt so we like winning on the uh
when we were doing the radio statler
podcast i used to spam the public link
out just on twitter and be like hey
join us on our podcast and we would get
the internet on the podcast
man i love it i love it so maybe we
could just
uh start out just kind of talk a little
bit about what radio stattler is for
for those that aren't familiar and i
could just hear a little bit from each
of you give a little introduction how
you got
uh roped into the program uh
or uh how you know how you started in
the project and kind of what your role
is
uh so we can get to know you a little
bit better um
so maybe if we could start with uh
beaches then we can go bunny and then we
can go to johnny christmas
so uh beaches why don't you start us off
uh well so uh in terms of like what is
radio statler uh for those that are
unfamiliar uh
for the duration of the hoca uh which
generally takes place every other year
in new york city at hotel pennsylvania
uh wednesday
when does it usually take place it's
usually late july i think
usually the third week of july of even
years
but that changed this year
yeah yeah well did it though i think
it's still the third week no
it's still well no it's the last week
now and now we're going to have a
conference
on an audier next year yeah
but i mean that's not necessarily all
that unusual if you go like look at the
list of conferences on wikipedia
uh i think there's been three years
between before i don't think they've
ever done one back to back like this
so that's that's a little different but
yeah i think the first one was 1996 and
then there wasn't another one until
uh no it was 94 000. there's a 94
there was like 94 yeah
yeah it's definitely one of the older
conferences for sure um
second oldest in the us perhaps
i think heck or summer camp might be the
oldest do you think so i felt i feel
like
uh them and defcon started a pretty
similar
in terms of timing right i thought
hacker summer camp had started in the
late
80s you would know better than i would i
think
yeah but definitely like there was there
was a time
for a long period well
a period where hope and defcon were the
only conferences now there were
certainly small conferences starting to
spring up
um inspired by defcon and hope already
even in the early 2000s but
until like 20 pretty much until the
target and home depot breaches
um when information security became a
career
uh there wasn't much of a conference
circuit to speak of it was
uh hope and defcon and because they were
the only two there was a kind of an
unspoken rivalry and we had there was a
an unwritten rule at hope where you
don't you don't mention defcon you don't
say defcon like you use the word defcon
somebody's gonna
put a hand on your shoulder and go hey
let's keep it down on the defcon huh
[Laughter]
now that that's not the case anymore but
um and all the other conferences out
there for the most part
really just excuses to come get your
2600 groups together
once a year you know they would have
30 attendees 50 attendees
and then of course that'll change during
2011 2012 2013.
so it's been around for a while that's
that's uh yeah it's early 90s yeah
so then when did radio statler start
recording the con
and how did that come about um 2008.
yeah that was 2008 um our friend
nick god uh came up for some reason he
would have been i think
uh pretty young honestly uh but he came
up with a bunch of recording stuff and i
think they just kind of
set up shop on
i can run with that one so right before
the 2008 hope
uh the hope forums hadn't shown up on
the internet and emanuel
was pretty much reaching out for anybody
who wants to do projects that was the
year the amd project you know got
started that was that that the
cool rfid thing um and then uh one of
our friends lexicon suggested a way
to bring hope to people who can't be at
hope and so
a group of us on the hope forums got
together and we're like well let's make
this happen
and that's what we did and that that was
a big deal because um
hope being a
a sister con to uh the chaos computer
congress attracted
a lot of international especially
european
attendees and also people who wished
they could attend
but uh you know transatlantic flight is
not
reasonable for many people uh and so
having a way of bringing hope to those
people who heard like who only knew of
the chaos computer congress in
is that always in germany i believe it's
always in germany i think you're right
yeah um and they found wow there's
there's there's something else america
has won
and uh being able to provide that to
them is really cool
we definitely get a large amount of
european listeners on the
radio station yeah that's definitely
true we have a
pretty decent european listenership
um but we are happy to say that uh we
also have
on every continent we've had at least
one person tune in uh
i think in the past i said almost i said
almost
i do i don't think you did i'm pretty
sure
we've been hardcore shooting for
antarctica and coming so
close yeah uh but it's it's you know
hard to line up
yeah because like the the people that
live down there like uh i think they
rotate like they're not there all the
time right uh
and then uh that's the middle of their
winter
so it's not like it's got a lot of
people down there so you're gonna like
you're trying to find that one guy
that's just like keeping the servers on
yeah
man the it guy who doesn't yeah and find
that lightning like i'm sure you need
something to listen to but you gotta
find him yeah yeah
it's like how do you like you can't just
like email sysadmin at like
antarctica.org
so yeah go ahead
so um definitely there's been some
postings on twitter uh
i know a guy that knows a guy who's like
brother
used to like uh i think it's like what
worked at one of the stations down there
so the earlier this year actually like
oh hey you know
you know this guy can you like email him
and see if his brother's still down
there and
um like really uh i think that probably
there is some way to like make requests
for like
like you would think that if you're
stationed in america there's probably
some like public outreach program
i just haven't found out what that is i
tried to apply
there was like i remember seeing you
could like win to be part of an
expedition down there or something like
that and
i either applied or thought about
applying i think i thought about
applying and looked at the application
i'm like
that does happen on occasion um
metallica
at least had attempted to play a show
down there not sure if it actually
happened
uh for similar reasons they wanted to be
able to say they've played on every
column
said let's put together and all i can
think of is like wow it's a great idea
just put thousands of people down on
antarctica
and just have them make their beer cups
their
trash come on it's not like people don't
clean up that
so the uh there's there are people down
there we just had the
antarctica's first tinder match down
there is that right
yeah so that was that's a thing there's
people down there and they get lonely
and uh you can fix that with tinder or
with a radio stand
there but doesn't it everyone just like
live in the same place
research facility no i just assume
everybody
ever lives in the same spot
yeah they get to the northernmost point
of antarctica they're like this is good
this is that's just it's done we're here
we're done we anything going on
further than this probably isn't
important just ignore it
so how long does it take to travel
across antarctica like for these
these tinder matches like do they get to
go the largest
oh yeah so they were you got to be
i don't know what's the max distance you
could set on tinder isn't there a max
it's got to be that i've literally
i've only built robots which use tinder
i don't actually know the settings
[Laughter]
just to [ __ ] with people or was it did
you have uh
some other kind of purpose that you're
using the robots for
oh just for memes
as the kids say just for the walls yeah
yeah
and you build a robot that just swipes
at everybody and then you make your
profile picture a robot and go i am a
robot don't reply to me and then the
event
invariably you get messages and then you
just respond like a robot would
oh that's great that's great
i had a friend who had a um chicken
tender on tinder so it's a chicken
tender tinder
and she would a profile picture is like
hey i'm a chicken tender
for burger king i have a crispy outside
juicy interior like here's my caloric
content
and then she would get messages all the
time and would respond as if you were
talking to a chicken tender
oh my god i didn't know so then she put
screenshots of all of these messages on
on a tumblr
and she called it the chicken tender
tinder tumbler
and it was a great time yeah you can
like it's i mean and that's hacking
that's
that's taking something especially
something technological
and making it do something that it's not
supposed to do or using in a way that
the original manufacturer didn't intend
like that's hacking to the most like
purest degree so that's
here's the thing you can use you go okay
let's see how can we use this well i'm
gonna
put a chicken tender on it but then
still converse with people
i love it so you're in every continent
except for antarctica
and so are they able to you know
communicate with you do you have them on
the show do you have them call in or
anything like that
yeah we still use the irks yeah uh
so previously um
what we've done has been irc mostly uh
we generally like every time we try to
set up i don't know why
uh we've come this far and like every
time we try to set up like some people
to call in it's either
a giant mess um and just doesn't work
i miss the call in days so much we had a
phone we had a phone in the studio
that is true where you could call in and
out and i loved
taking callers for all of the reasons
you can imagine um but yeah we
it pretty much we've i think given up on
it at this point every time we try to
set it up it just doesn't
yeah it doesn't really work okay gotcha
and it's not a bandwidth issue i mean
hope famously has
hope has the baddest hope is it
yeah hope is that such a fat pipe that
there's a challenge
from the isp every year to max it out
but they dare us and we never come
close we hit like 10 the isp is like hey
we dare uh a building with 3 000 hackers
in it
2500 to max out this internet pipe
please please try and so everyone will
write every script possible to download
the biggest things you can
imagine and it's like yeah we we spiked
at 18
uh saturday night yeah
the best part is is that um because of
the way that they have to get that
amount of ips because they don't do
netting um
oh yeah everyone gets the public
everybody gets a public ip address
network yeah um
they have it set up so that uh when you
sign in like you can use a username and
a password but it accepts literally any
username or password
but that way everybody gets their own
key and it's uh you know
you're secure um but
yeah everybody gets a public id uh and
then because
uh they'll pretty much do a list of the
at the
closing ceremony with like uh whoever
downloaded spider-man 2
would you just delete that please yeah
because they didn't
exactly like take down notices
or something magic mike was the the one
that was
that was the infamous one we got the
complaint on
oh i definitely remember spider-man 2
but i think that that was
uh that would have been several years
ago it was it magic mike was probably
last year but we get like a couple of
take down notices at least yeah
so the closing ceremonies they do here's
all the statistics for
the internet utilization and just the
network in general like the knock will
do a presentation and it's very well
received and part of it is like and
here's uh
here's the gmca takedown notices we're
required to forward to you
that's that's fantastic you downloaded
magic mike
uh you shouldn't have
that's all we got like there isn't any
recourse right it's like oh what are we
gonna do
we're gonna right off of the network
that we have already dismantled
and so that's that comes from um
the chaos computer camp does that uh and
i believe congress as well where they do
the same thing where everyone gets a
public ip
and it's because well not
openly because but it it very greatly
enables the ability to
transfer information and things which
may be
legally dubious and by the time
the legal by the time the authorities
get around to saying hey we've got to
confiscate these servers
it's two months later and the camp is
dismantled or the con is dismantled the
long gone are like
good luck buddy and there's the
there's the abandoned train station
where the camp used to be you're welcome
to see if someone accidentally left the
server back there but
you're a little late to the party that's
awesome
uh so so where do you guys get most your
listeners from that are they mostly
outside the united states or are they
mostly other services you can pay
and you can forgetting listeners
i'm gonna be honest like we don't every
time we do radio statler like we pretty
much we lose money right because we're
not we have to pay for tickets we have
to pay for hotel we have to pay to like
drive up with oh yeah we don't get a
budget yeah we don't
have only recently started acknowledging
that we're sucking up space inside their
conference
and that's i mean that's a good story to
tell like we've gone from
it's it's a cool story about
like it really shows you how hope is and
what the mentality is there and that
like
there's there up until recently there
was the entire empty mezzanine level of
a hotel
where uh outside of the vendor space
that was rented out
you could just grab a table and go this
one's mine
and i'm gonna do this here and then
everyone goes okay
and so these guys said uh this is mine
we're gonna host a radio station here
and then everyone went okay
let us let us know if you're dead and
that's how it goes and so it started as
a very personal
like thing where a group of hackers just
said this is what we're gonna do
and it was not it's not hope sanctioned
you didn't have to register
your village with the conference and
uh have a cfp for your booth and all
this [ __ ]
uh it was just like hey radio statler is
here and it's a radio station and people
would then
walk by and go what is this so we go oh
it's a radio station and they go
whoa how does that work and we go ah
i don't really know surprisingly
yeah yeah like magic and i'm not
exaggerating
so it's it's super super grass roots
i've never been to hope yeah is that
like is that what everyone does or is
that just you guys
um there's regulars now where mitch you
know runs the soldering village
and uh there's the chaos who who runs
the old computer
uh uh it used to be march
but i think that they i don't remember
what the new name is they you recently
reorganized as of last time
so there's an organization that brings
really old computers that all still work
and they just show up and they go all
right let's find a place to set these
all up and they just do that and it's
just there
i mean it's cool they network them all
together as much as they can which
is really cool because most of them
weren't ever supposed to talk to each
other
um it's it's neat stuff and you can play
games on them and crap
and yeah that's how it is it's very much
it's it's a place
where very little work is done and it's
just like where's the biggest openest
room where we can put a bunch of hackers
to do whatever they want
and then also by not sanctioning any of
it you kind of absolve yourself from a
lot of the liability
but it's a testament to radio statler
that in recent years we've actually
become more directly involved as an
official part of hope
and hope acknowledges us and asks if
we're coming and
we can ask hope for amenities and
official space and things and so
like we've gone from you know a bunch of
people doing a weird thing literally in
the corner
to a thing hope as a conference
hopes that we keep doing yeah and so
that's pretty cool
the the voice of hope as it says on your
shirt bunny
for those that are listening oh it's got
the whole radio statler
logo let's keep the jiggling down
this is a family show is it really a
family show i was told that we could say
[ __ ] on this yeah this is
this is hey this is a happy show
anti-censorship
[Laughter]
um cool so
uh so so how did each of you get
involved in in radio statler like when
was it like how did you get
involved like what's what's your role um
uh so for me at least i got involved in
2012 uh
and essentially what happened is uh
i'd known nick god for a very long time
um
and he was like hey uh i'm gonna pay
for are you interested in coming to hope
and they're like yeah
it was like okay uh i'm gonna pay for
your
hotel and your ticket and you're just
gonna have to get your ass to new york
uh at these dates uh and then i
did um and then i spent three days
uh cutting audio into uh
shows and putting it on the internet
and then they were like you should come
back and i was like yeah okay i guess so
and then uh i've been i guess kind of
the pre
production director i think is is the
term we're using so
so for me uh i'm i'm in charge sucker is
the term i've
heard how is that
so obviously it's a thankless job
i certainly haven't thanked him i can
confirm
i thank him because he took over my job
yeah that's true
yeah bunny used to do it that's true um
but yeah so so uh we use bunny used to
and uh
i've since taken over like getting
scheduling content
and uh getting people like interesting
people to come on
uh which sometimes is just like sending
somebody a twitter dm or sending them an
email
uh or randomly going to the hallway be
like you look
weird and interesting you should come
talk on the radio and then they go okay
and then they just follow you uh
um so yeah i don't know if that's uh
that's pretty much
been my involvement um i'm still
involved with doing some of the archival
work uh
but that's mostly been taken over
by somebody else at this point uh which
is good
um oh yeah we have the archives
we have archives years ago we do i think
we have weird stuff
it's uh we're getting way off the topic
of how to get started here
go ahead and talk about the weird stuff
though i mean you say weird like so part
of the onesies
so we we don't know how to stay on topic
no that's not what we do here
um i think bacon and cheese hours
probably the best most popular
segments the bacon and cheese hour it
was i think
in 2008 no bacon and cheese was second
year was it oh it was 20 200 200
so um nicod
literally hands a stranger it's like hey
we're doing it we need to cook bacon
uh take my credit card go to kmart
buy um a pan an induction burner
and uh bacon in peas and
insects here technically actually
technically this was the cheese
hour oh i i brought up because i love
cheese i brought up
let's let's find ways and eat cheese and
talk about it and we were like well we
have to have
bacon to go with cheese so then it
mutated into
the bacon not a phrase i've ever
personally heard
and so and so hope you need bacon with
your cheese we wanted to wrap
cheese and bacon and cook it and that's
where the bacon came in and i mean
that's delicious
and hope is in central manhattan
generally
uh and so like if you it's not just a
matter of like oh we'll run to the kmart
up the road like
you have to navigate you know midtown
manhattan to get to a kmart to
and now you've handed a stranger at the
hacker con your credit card
said go buy me bacon and the things
to cook bacon in an empty hotel room or
an empty hotel floor
uh and and it worked so well that we've
done it multiple times
i do remember that was also the time
that we've gotten everything except for
like a spatula
like we didn't have anything to actually
pull off so we handed off we grabbed uh
the the lady in charge of the volunteers
were like hey we need you to go buy us a
spatula
i don't care where and so that's that's
a great example
of radio statler so what we like
it's easy enough for us to just
re-broadcast the talks that are going on
um which we do and is greatly
appreciated by a lot of the listeners
um we we do video and audio
video can be hard for a lot of people
who want to consume the content to get
where they're at um in a lot of the
talks especially at hope
hope is more of a hacktivist
anarcho anarcho-political conference
with hacker leanings uh and so the talks
often
work fairly well audio only uh for for
most people so that's cool
um especially in the years where you
have like jello biafra doing two hour
political rants um things like that just
great times and so but because hope is
also
very much a 24-hour conference which is
one of my favorite things about it
you can have a blast at 4am inside the
conference
my best times pretty much happened after
10 p.m
yeah hotel pennsylvania where it was
held uh
has like i mentioned before an empty
mezzanine floor the entire floor of the
hotel there used to be uh
like a it used to be shops like a mini
little indoor shopping mall in the hotel
they tore it all out decades ago and
never
put anything back in it so it's
literally the entire floor of a hotel
empty and that and they let hope use it
and hope is the
only entity that uses it uh
and but because hope's using it for the
duration
it's just open 24 hours you could just
go up there and somebody's doing
something
uh and so the talks end around
uh what 9 p.m usually the last stocks go
on about 9 or 10.
yeah and so then after that you've got
another 12 hours of
of of dead air to fill
and radio statler fills that um and we
have on
not only do we have on this like a lot
of the speakers who
already presented and let them either
talk more about their topic or talk
about something else completely
unrelated but we have on
um entities which happen to be attending
the conference which aren't presenting
we have the the pirate party
yeah almost every every year the pirate
party comes on and does a whole pirate
party hour
uh and they're a blast uh just things
like that we try to invent content
and the the la the wee hours definitely
turned into
uh creepy conspiracy theorists rants and
uh
inside joke runs and just drunkenness
and
board games and it's a really good time
when did bacon really happen like what
time was bacon and cheese
uh we did that like in the middle of the
evening i think
2 a.m no i think we actually did the
actual
hour in the middle but we had so much
bacon left over that we cooked bacon for
the rest of the weekend
oh yeah and man that's it's a great
prank if you want to play a prank on a
group of people at 2 a.m just cook a
small amount of bacon somewhere so they
can smell it
it's the worst thing you can do yeah
there was a sign that ended up
at the the top of the escalator coming
up to the mezzanine there was a sign
that said
like yes you do smell bacon
so why was the bacon so popular
it's bacon yeah bacon on the radio
though because you can't smell it on the
radio
you can hear it it was just our
us being us i guess yeah it was the
personalities
cooking and consuming the bacon yeah it
was just a weird show
content around the bacon i can see that
yeah
i mean it also it was like what 2008
2010 uh i don't think it happened in
2012
like in that time period though that was
like when the internet went like just
[ __ ] bonkers for bacon like that was
about that
oh yeah oh you want a bacon ball like
bacon mayonnaise right
salt bacon lollipops bacon yeah covered
in chocolate
if you think we do remember a time
before bacon was popular yeah
everybody always liked bacon but we
never eventually like the internet one
of the
biggest accomplishments of the internet
was allowing everyone to realize that
bacon is universally loved
and it's true something the entire
internet agrees on it's like oh well yes
bacon
there was so wow i never knew that there
was like a pre-bake and it's like
like there's a free bacon
was there a pre-cat videos that was
always a thing
late 1995. no way i had uh i had a
geocities or no it was an angelfire
homepage
that was one of the very first angelfire
accounts to exist
oh someone called out my age the other
night i was playing a game board game
online
and uh i mentioned geocities and someone
was like my god you're old and i'm like
oh
aren't you older than me uh yeah yeah
yeah that's right
yeah so usually people are shocked to
find out i'm the oldest of the group and
i
i really i really i really like that
bunny is older than
the first shows first website i made was
an angel fire website
for my parents they wanted to sell their
house but they didn't want to put the
whole list and they want to do it on
their own they wanted to put the whole
listing in the paper they wanted to save
space so they're like can you make a
website
i just put like the angel fire url yeah
just with url
yeah so it's like angelfire.com tilde
how did you how did you explain to the
person at the newspaper what tilde was
oh yeah i i i just told her what the
here's the link and then uh and she's
like my mom's like
i'll give you 25 bucks if you can figure
out how to make a website and
sell it all the time and so we can save
space and don't have to pay the extra
money
and 25 bucks back then was like 25
000 now yeah when when you're like i
hope you invested that
oh you were 10 back then okay it was uh
you know it was it was good money you
know so
um and i got to learn how to make a
website i was like i had to figure out
how to make all the stuff
do you know where i learned how to make
a website tell me
neopets same that's uh
so i have uh two friends up in
canada uh
who are uh who have been
repeatedly banned from the neopets
website to date as a
as recently as earlier or late last year
uh because they keep just going in
and violating terms of service
left and right in the interest of
neopets like they're big fans
to the extent where they do shady stuff
and get banned
yeah oh and they both uh they both work
they're both like porn adjacent which is
interesting like neopets and
and there's apparently a huge porn and
porn adjacent
following for neopets like lots of porn
and like sex workers are into neopets
i mean a lot of people were into any
other pets
i still have my neopets i log in once a
month and yeah
really yeah i think my i think i think
the email account that i used to
register my new pets again it's like
dead like i think it was like excite.com
and text i'm gonna text them to let them
know that we're talking about neopets on
the podcast yeah no i
still have them i have neopets
decorations i have plushies
i i love my neopets i still do
nice i'm not even familiar with neopets
i don't know what you guys are talking
about
it still exists just go to neopets.com
and
never look back it's tamagotchi but on a
website
and i think there's more from like games
right yeah yeah you can play games to
essentially win
coins because it's on the channel on
your
events yeah
awesome so tell me about hope this year
i mean are you guys doing a hope this
year
is there any covid you know we've got a
virtual
nine day hope oh wow
it's the first time ever and it's a
little scary because well we don't know
how hope itself is going to be so
we're just trying to also join and not
fail yeah we've this year we've migrated
off of
irc well we haven't migrated off irc
we've added discord
and have bridged it to irc so you can
use both now
to to talk to a string and and slot
slack actually so we have a slack we
have a discord and we have
irc so and they can all chat to each
other oh really
depending on uh yeah so whichever one
you use you don't miss any messages
they're all bridged nice
yeah it's very nice um so we have that
which
that's that's new new for 20 20 it's 20
20.
it's still 20 20. it's still 20
i know this has been the longest decade
but it is still
actually 20 it's been the longest year
oh my god speaking of years this is
completely off topic today's been really
long
and also a hundred percent um
you're posting a video of this right
yeah yeah yeah okay
youtube uh we bought a calendar
in january on amazon and
because this is 2020 and the longest
period ever it arrived
july 1st
i just want you to appreciate this
calendar that
you came in a [ __ ]
2020 calendar get your [ __ ] together
this year
and it didn't even show up until you
show up until it's so perfect
and and just for the listeners that
aren't watching this like it just
it's just uh the top is black and it
says in white lettering
a [ __ ] and the app is bleeped out
with an explosion art of the you rather
is bleeped out with an explosion
a [ __ ] 2020 calendar in white
lettering and then below it there's
white and you hold it up a little and it
says get your [ __ ] together this
year so it's uh we clearly did not
listen to that count
no we didn't or i mean maybe we did it's
just
it's gonna happen in the the last part
of the year
what happens wait wait you've got the
future calendar what happens at the end
of the year
yeah what do we got what's going on
what's in july
yeah she's it only goes through august
uh so uh july
is oh hot damn oh hot damn july
it works for us it's it's already
hitting like 100 down here
uh where are you bunny i'm in uh st
louis okay yeah it gets hot there in the
summer right here i haven't been in the
summer but uh
it's very humid and hot
and the reason why we actually bought
this calendar is uh these stickers
of uh middle finger uh
there's not enough stickers to cover the
year [ __ ] this [ __ ]
off uh it has one that's uh
somebody someone's [ __ ] birthday uh
vacation about damn time a [ __ ] day
off another shitty meeting
they do not have another shitty meeting
they don't have enough of those stickers
uh
there's like 14 that is not enough
shitty they're all shitty meetings i
don't think i've ever
had a notch you literally need a sticker
for every single day of this year
so far i need 365 another shitty meeting
oh all right so when does hope start uh
july
25th 25th coming up here
it'll go through august 2nd is the last
day
and how are you guys doing talks and
how's all that going can i happen
so talk wise they haven't
really they haven't announced the
platform yet that they're going to use
well so it's exactly that's not true uh
so uh usually uh talks
are like conferences split into multiple
tracks
and what they did this year is they kept
the same number of talks but that put
them into a single track which is why
the conference is three times as long
except yeah it's nine
um so you could hit all the talks if you
wanted to if you wanted to
you could just yeah you could shock that
you could sit for nine days and just
uh yeah another one um
so uh it's a single track um
what they've done previously for video
streaming for talks which they've
done in the past is they uh have
i think partner with like i think it's
the internet society if i recall
correctly
um so they'll they'll just be a live
stream and they'll just do
they'll have people come in and they'll
do either a pre-recorded talk or
a live talk um and then if you buy a
ticket there's um
some additional interactivity aside from
like if you just want to watch the talk
you don't have to pay for a ticket but
if you want to talk to um you're going
to do like
adventures there's like q a sessions um
if you want to do any workshops they are
doing workshops um i'm interested to see
how that goes
uh because the workshops are obviously
all gonna be virtual
um so actually uh for this year they
asked us they reached out to us and
were like hey are you still doing radio
statler and
could you please submit as a workshop so
uh the workshop
it should be an interesting kind of
format um those can be partially
pre-recorded but there's some stuff that
you
would still need to like for q a or
anything like that um
so that'll be kind of interesting i
don't think i've seen
uh any other virtual conferences that
have done work like a workshop
format yeah that'll that is interesting
um so but i mean it's very ambitious
uh as far as i can tell and that's kind
of what hope does is just
be very ambitious uh so either it's
going to be good or it's going to be
really really good
and we'll kind of see where it shakes
out uh in terms of radio statler
uh we haven't decided necessarily but
we've decided
we don't necessarily know what platform
we're going to stream to or anything
like that
uh but we're we're planning to do video
as well as audio this year
uh there'll still be an audio stream is
the plan
um and then uh so yeah we're gonna try
to fill up
24 hours of uh
nine days a week and that's a lot of
that's a lot of hours that's a lot of
people you gotta man the uh
microphones yeah hey do you want to have
the cyphercon
hour um totally sloppy you know we can
decipher if you want the cyphercon day
we're amenable
hey if you if you just want to join
radio stattler and help man some
microphones you know
yeah we could always use experience how
much bacon
how much bacon do i get if you
if you send me your address i will find
some way to ship you bacon
you're gonna get a bacon calendar for
[Laughter]
get your bacon together
perfect all right sold i'll do it okay
i'm in cool i'll email you the discord
invite
we meet on wednesdays at 8 30. we like
fresh
fantastic i got plenty to go around
[Laughter]
he doesn't know what he's in store for
no uh you've made a terrible
miscalculation
um well we appreciate it at least i get
bacon out of it
yeah okay um
now i forgot what i was gonna say i had
i had a thought oh yeah so yeah i wanted
to ask you guys about just cons in
general like
uh in 2020. i mean most of the cons
either
moved to virtual or they just canceled
all the other
um
what are you guys thoughts around like
where where khan's right now and what do
you see like
going forward um you guys have any
thoughts about that and i
i um i had uh trenton and sean on the
podcast talking about
uh infosec oasis they moved to alt space
vr
platform to do a con and it sounded
really cool and i actually got into
uh all space i just got innocuous too
just because i was like
this sounds cool like you know uh and
their thought was that you know
um that
kovid could be the catalyst that starts
the oasis the
you know the ready player one oasis
which may or may not happen we'll we'll
see but
um i don't think we're we're and and
johnny looks very skeptical
but uh i have opinions when you're
ready for him you can tell
that's opinions with a capital o and a
trademark
at the end yeah i turned my ears on for
that
so um yeah so anyways any thoughts that
you guys have
on uh on cons and uh
and let's hear your opinions on vr i
know
i mean i still think that because it's
july
and covet is still a pretty much a thing
i think a lot of cons like i only had
two planned this year and
one just up and canceled very recently i
think most of them are just trying to
hope they can pull
the later part of the year and then just
canceling but uh
a lot of cons are now sitting and
realizing that they're not gonna happen
so now we're gonna come up with really
great ideas as to how to do new cons
and then i'm i'm guessing by the end of
the year we're gonna see some really
interesting things
yeah yeah i agree and it all it all
depends like where this thing goes too
you know like
i don't know it might be it might be a
while before we have any kind of regular
kind of
uh gathering suit but we i mean we don't
know we don't have our crystal balls
yeah i don't
i don't think that we're going to have
any major cons until af
you know until the start of 2021 yeah so
i i would even
say probably um until mid 2021 at the
earliest
uh like it's not gonna happen until like
we actually get a vaccine and there's a
way to
yeah um general availability of bad the
vaccine i think is going to be the thing
i think it takes
uh from tip to tail like at least at at
least 14 months
and i think they started we don't we
don't need a vaccine
um the just the presence of
therapeutics that are enough to minimize
the effects of the disease to the extent
where hospitalization is minimalized i
think that
that's that's definitely going to happen
way before we have a vaccine
and everybody's focusing on this vaccine
and it's like ah
never exist right now they can't even
find enough samples to keep working on
the vaccine
as as the weeks go by the
time frame for vaccine gets pushed out
farther and farther just
just due to the sheer lack of samples
well if if i'm reading correctly because
obviously it mutates
uh are they able to keep up with like
mutations like if this is if this is
this going to be like a vaccine once we
get it it's going to mutate too much to
even
be able to it depends it depends on the
annotation
yeah because i know we've already i know
that they are aware of some mutations
already
one of the reasons a vaccine normally
takes
uh 10 to 20 years
is uh due to that
dude like confirming you have one that's
going to take care of all forms of it
you know not and not every virus can
have a vaccine ever made like it's not
like a
it's not a matter of wealth you put
enough time and money on it everything
can have a vaccine like that's just not
the case
um for me though the concern at least
for therapeutics
uh is there isn't necessarily a lot of
knowledge about the long-term effects so
even if hospitalizations aren't bad
or um deaths uh
like if we have a therapeutic uh
schedule right that can
make it so the deaths are minimized but
like you still have people that for
months afterwards
having quote unquote recovered
can't like go up and down stairs without
getting winded they can't
let's do the damage that the virus
caused from being a logic yes so long
exactly like it's it's well and nearly
everyone who dies from covid like they
they don't die because the the infection
they died because of secondary effects
of the infection
that's why you know most people who are
dying were people with
poor like limited access to health care
their whole lives poor cardiovascular
health etc
i do so i do a lot of work with an
organization called get us ppe so i'm
i'm just perpetually in contact with
medical facilities and professionals
which is where i get a lot of my
opinions from
oh that's that's that's great that's
what so
what what do you what do you do with the
uh the ppe
folks get people ppe source and
distribute personally i distribute um
literally i get on my motorcycle and i
take it from point a to point b
uh because we one of the biggest
problems going on in the country
is uh even though we have finally gotten
to the point in most states where the lo
the state governments are able to source
the necessary ppe for the medical
facilities um
the distribution within the states is
[ __ ] terrible um it's highly targeted
it's based off of the wrong data
uh like they're uh because
you know kovid affects
uh almost like
in so in chicago 73 of
all coveted deaths are black folks um
it it disproportionately hits uh black
folks
more than any more than even latinos um
and of course white's the least and that
has to do with act with lifetime access
to health care
um folks who have had unhealthy lives
due to
systematic racism etc um are at high
risk for death from covid because
of the long-term effects that not being
able to get medical attention cause or
even just had proper healthcare
education
uh because but what the states are often
doing is they're sending this ppe to
hospitals based on the number of just
patients they had last year
and so okay you had this many patients
last year you
if you had 40 of all the patients in the
state you'll get 40
of the ppe here you go whereas what
really needs to happen is the hospitals
in the very low income
areas that have often you know have the
high percentages of
those most heavily affected by covid and
the most the highest coveted cases those
are the ones that actually need to get
all the pve but they're not getting it
because they don't
historically have the the numbers
to support that uh but now they do
but they're going based off of like last
year's numbers and so these hospitals
aren't getting the quantity of ppe that
they actually need to protect their
doctors and protect their patients that
aside
the states aren't providing ppe to every
other form of facility that takes in
people off the streets be it
nursing homes be it safe houses halfway
houses
those don't get [ __ ] you know and they
like they're on their own like well go
to the store and
go buy some have you been to a store
have you tried to buy some it's not
there
and when it is there a box of 50 gloves
is 30
a box of 100 masks is thirty dollars
it's insane
and these places don't have any money so
what we're doing at get us ppe
is finding places that have extra pep i
literally i pick up from veterinarians a
lot
we go to vets pick up gloves and masks
and then we take those
and i dropped it off a couple weeks ago
i had to go to a battered women's
shelter in indiana and drop it off and
so that's what we're doing
because nobody else is doing it and i'm
happy to do it and i get to go out on my
motorcycle
you know it's not a huge burden but i'm
helping uh but because of that i talk to
tons of doctors about what's going on
what they think is happening
when i talk to hospitals to get back on
track um
the hospital's here all of the internal
memos the nutritional conversation
is the the resurgence in september
um there will be a massive spike at
least here in chicago in september
it's being spoken of as a guarantee
that the words possibly are never used
they never talk about it like
if the spike happens if the suspected
spike is coming
it's never everyone is preparing for
the second wave in september it is
happening
illinois i guess
you guys are doing way better way better
than us oh we are
crushing it um our governor is doing an
excellent job
our governor is awful he
literally he did like a recent interview
and he's just he's
he's leaving everything to the cities to
decide on their own and he openly said
that it is
he will not in any shape way or form
mandate mass for the state
because he believes that it is
everybody's freedom to choose whether
they should wear a mask and he
he's deciding he doesn't want to wear a
mask oh what a piece of [ __ ] that's like
sweet i can't believe how i can't
believe i'm politicized
wearing a mask you're not wearing a mask
because become it's it's it's ridiculous
yeah i'm so glad that i live in like
the one of two blue sections in this
stupid state because
they actually care we just finally
forced masks
yeah like chicago is like one of the
only blue sections you know the the
upside is the rest of the state has no
population to say anything so
um yeah it's it's it's the same thing
that elections do where they allow you
to
they they cause people to broadcast
loudly what pieces of [ __ ] they are
uh and so like the upside is like well
you know you get to go through your
friends list once a year and go okay
cool i didn't know that you were just
you you cared so little about your
friends or family that you're willing to
kill them
just so uh you don't have a minor
inconvenience that's insane
yeah and like people like come on don't
i can't believe it's july and like
people don't understand what the purpose
of the mask is by now like you [ __ ]
kidding me
we get people on a regular basis who are
confused
uh like we get people obviously who
don't want to wear masks but then
because we're enforcing we've been
enforcing them in our business since day
one of reopening for us
but like people come in they're confused
they're like i don't understand
like why are we wearing masks and i'm
like where where have you been
after a while now you literally can't
walk down the street here without being
informed of it it's taped to the [ __ ]
light poles people are taping
like you cannot walk down a street
without being accidentally educated on
what's up
yeah what's your problem like we're
literally like
like i can't even ignorance can't do
this because you're
seeing it you're it's right in front of
your eyes that you don't know
that's what's happening there and you're
just like and yet
so like you get women who will get
uppity about
having to wear a mask but they'll still
wear a bra
for like much a much less important
reason
are you [ __ ] kidding me or something
you know that's something about beliefs
people just double down on what they
already believe instead of changing
their beliefs because of evidence you
know
it's nuts well it's not a belief thing
well i mean it's it's a lot of the
people they're listening
to i don't know like right-wing radio
stations that are telling them that this
is all [ __ ] and it's like you know i
feel like those
people are few and far between they're
just loud yeah
yeah i hope i mean that's that's kind of
the trouble is it's really
kind of hard to tell like who do who's
really like
getting all their information it's a
liberal conspiracy and like
i'm i'm pretty [ __ ] liberal and i
haven't i haven't been informed of this
conspiracy yet
like i'm not necessarily against i might
be on board show me
email me you're obviously if you are on
the committee
you're a conspirator on your motorcycle
delivering all that ppe
i mean come on i would like to be more
of a conspirator
like um what's up
i wanted to back it up on something that
you mentioned before
what are therapeutics is that like
uh true therapy animals no drugs
what kind of drugs like are working to
minimize the uh
the symptoms nothing so far um
but they're you know there's
therapeutics for there's therapeutics
for the common cold
you know so um stuff like that yeah so
there's therapeutics for
the many flus like you ever have tamiflu
you ever get the flu and then the
doctor prescribed you tamiflu or it's a
therapeutic it doesn't it doesn't it's
not a cure
it doesn't destroy the virus does this
work
or um it varies
it varies by virus and infection in
person but sometimes it works enough
that
that doctors prescribe it okay um i've
never been
prescribed uh tamiflu i have uh zpac is
another thing that's mostly i think
therapeutic right
uh z-pec is an antibacterial you're
right it is
one of the problems with viruses is
there's it you can't really medicate a
way of
viruses um right they're two and it's
because they're
too simple of creatures
yeah they're not alive right yeah so the
way you fight a viral infection
is you change the chemical makeup
of the things that they're attacking or
you change the way the things
they're attacking functions so that the
functions no longer benefit the
replication of the virus
and it's really hard to do that without
[ __ ] your body up because you're
talking about like changing
the chemical makeup of receptors on your
cell walls and those receptors are there
for a valid
reason to receive other things you need
and so then it's a matter of
can we shut these receptors down for two
weeks and not
kill the person or permanently maim them
but also then the virus can't replicate
and it's
gone and then we can turn the receptors
back up it's things like that that
you're dealing with viruses viruses are
really really freaking
tricky to fight off and that's what
we're dealing with um there's a big
therapeutic that's being pushed right
now called rem deserver
was initially created to fight sars and
mers
if you remember those two i'm sorry
so this coveted of course being caused
by sars to
um there's no real clinical data
showing that rem deserver has any effect
on
sars slash coven 19 infections
um but there's but it could
and it's it's way far ahead in the
clinical testing trials because
it's been being tested for years and
years and years
uh so they found that okay it's at least
fairly safe and we've confirmed that
let's get out to people let's start
trying it on people to see if it works
and so a lot of people are getting real
excited about bremdezevir saying oh the
therapeutic it's a drug it's going to
help but
there's no evidence of that definitely
like if a doctor says try it
certainly try it it might help it might
work but
don't get excited that there's a
therapeutic treatment out there because
it hasn't been proven yeah
well um johnny i wanted to walk it back
to
your face when i mentioned the oasis and
uh ready player one and you're like [ __ ]
that that's never gonna happen what what
what were you thinking
i am i am so sick of virtual conferences
okay i say that as someone whose company
is hosting their second virtual
conference this year already
um which are well received
i'm personally not a fan
um it's not to say they're not effective
and don't provide you know a wealth of
education
etc um i i feel the entire reason that
conferences were created
was you know we if you want to go back
to the days of like comdex
and things like that the entire reason
they're created is to get a bunch of
people who
uh like the same stuff together to meet
up in person and talk and have
conversations and stuff
and the big problem with these virtual
conferences that are hosted on
platforms like zoom and and uh like we
just
call everything zoom is becoming you
bigger as household name no matter what
kind of webinar system you're using it's
zoom way to zoom let's do a zoom how did
skype
drop the ball on that one they're like
way ahead of the game and then they
because they changed it to teams and
like they changed the name five times
it's live and then it's teams
and yeah um yeah skype
skype had it but skype built that
ubiquity before microsoft bought that as
well yeah yeah
and then microsoft dropped that ball um
so
this is good when you need to have i'd
say maximum
five people to have a conversation and
get some things done it's great for
business meetings
because even in person more than five
people at a work meeting doesn't get
anywhere anyway
um it doesn't work for like you have
people trying to do
uh parties and stuff uh over
zoom and saying like oh we're having
like grab a drink and hang out yeah on
thursday
and you'll have 50 people in a
in a webcast all here
all yelling over each other like that's
not how
social gatherings work right that's how
social gatherings that don't work
but like social gatherings you get 50
100 people and i'm talking like our
meetups and things like that in a room
and you break off into small groups of
three four five and you have a
conversation over here now
what uh infosec oasis and thoughtcon
have been doing is they're using
a system called all space vr which
actually is owned by microsoft now
yeah to uh not surprised but really yeah
uh to uh host these gatherings and alt
space is really cool
and also there's a vr chat uh that's
kind of like second
life and fire called it's called just vr
chat i think it's called
it's really cool and it works really
well because it does a lot of the
audio manipulation to where if you walk
away from a group
there that audio level drops and if like
you're
and you can they have positional audio
and volume so if somebody's talking
behind you to the right even in just
stereo headphones you hear that you pick
up on it you can turn around and see
them and they're right there
and also what's really cool about that
is if there's a group of people talking
and they're just
out of your shot you can hear that you
can kind of hear the mumbles
and you can tell where they're at and if
you're alone in a room you could be like
someone let me go see what they're doing
or i thought i think i heard somebody
talking about something i'm into i'm
going to walk over there
see and that's how real conversation
happens that's how real social
interaction happens
and that's why that's really cool the
downside to that is
these systems have extremely limited
caps on how many people they can host at
any given time
um i think absolute max in all space vr
was like
at 30 you start getting serious
performance degradation yeah
at 50. it's almost unusable
uh so you can't even have a small
conference that's there well the cool
thing that they did for infosec oasis
is they were able to clone rooms so you
could have 30 people fill up a room
and then once they hit 30 they cloned it
right another 30 people but everyone's
seen the speaker
right but it's a crap shoot of which 30
people you're hanging out with
yeah but it's during the talk you know
so then they have like other
like lobby spaces or whatever where
people can hang out yeah um
and also presenting in vr is tricky
infosec oasis did come up with a cool
solution
um and i've seen i've been watching
concerts in alt space
which is really fun yeah i have to i've
been going to like open mics and stuff
i've been experimenting with it i've
been i've been having fun with it i
um i i'm working on a
project for burning man for it right now
um
because you can burning man's like one
of the
actually it got bought it's funny i hung
up uh
hearing the story that they got bought
by microsoft and the deal was done
at burning man and so it's like very
like burning man friendly so they're
doing like this burning
thing like burning man definitely turned
into the
place where rich people go to experience
what being poor is like
it really is like it's like because they
can't get that experience in their own
life
they can't get the experience of like
money not mattering and so they go to
burning man to be forced into that
scenario
yeah it's uh yeah the the
the harsh environment there is the the
great equalizer because everyone's got
to figure out how to deal with it
um so the there's still a downside to
these vr spaces
aside from just like the limited user
base is you have that
that barrier to entry you have that
technological barrier um yes you can use
things like alt space via pc and it's
cool that they tried to do that
it's not as easy you don't get a lot of
the interactivity
you don't you can't emote like you can
with
my setup here with your with your hands
like you can vr
so if you're talking to someone on a pc
they're just this robot who's talking to
you like this that's really weird um
and you need you still need
some kind of decent hardware to even run
the 3d
environments that are going on there and
you know there's a ton of people who
don't have access to that
or just choose not to have access to
that and aren't going to go
buy a set up just to be able to do that
you know
i know plenty of people who have a
six-year-old eight-year-old laptop
that work in information security and
are you know working offensive security
go this thing works fine for me
i don't need anything more why would i
bother wasting my money and i totally
get it
you can get by really far on a
chromebook these days but it's not going
to be
health space well i just bought my mom a
chromebook and i was super worried that
it was going to be a nightmare
and that hasn't on the flip side of that
though like
buying a plane ticket getting a hotel
and going to a con
you know costs i mean you can expense
those things
against your company yeah well maybe
somebody gonna buy you a vr head that's
what i'm saying
i have the company buy a vr headset
your company's not gonna do that because
then that becomes a company asset and
then they have to go and collect those
when everybody quits and then
they're stuck with these vr headsets
yeah yeah
sure someone who doesn't who doesn't
have a job that would ever pay for
hackercon
i i do it every hopes one of the best
things ever because i will spit out that
money it's usually about a thousand
dollars
all together travel staying all that
stuff and i do it hands down
i don't have an issue doing it because i
get to sit around
with alcohol in my hand and people
around me to talk for hours
and it's great you may you meet amazing
people a significant portion of people
look good at those cons
out of pocket for sure and spend very
little sometimes
my first hope i had
93 dollars in my bank account when i
went
uh i was pretty poor tickets were much
cheaper to hope
yeah i certainly i i've never bought a
badge for hope
i'm proud to say
i've only not bought in twice that was a
two year that we did a talk cause i got
i got one included i bought i i only
started speaking there very recently
yeah yeah um i just had people who are
willing to give me some badges all the
time and that was very cool and this is
so hope was my
hope was my first hacker con uh back in
y2k
h2k uh that was you know i read it
inside of
2600 magazine uh actually i did my
friend who
was reading magazine and found it and he
showed me when i came over to his house
and he was my friend where we like he
was the only other hacker i knew and we
would
hack on like satellite tv and stuff and
our cell phones
and he we so we both read 2600 and had
been for years and he goes hey did you
see this and it was a page all the way
at the end of the magazine that quarter
it said
hope is coming hackers of planet earth
is a conference
in manhattan new york usa with where
over a thousand hackers get together to
trade blah blah blah it was a full page
and i was reading this and i go and i
literally said to him i go
there's no there's probably kind of like
this right
i mean this is for this year's like it's
at the end of the day
yeah it was exactly that's like it's
like hey this is hope
this is the thing that's happening a one
page it's like it's literally like the
second to last it's like
yeah that's exactly what it was and for
how big it is you'd think they'd put it
like on the cover
um but no and it was and i go to my
friend i go there's no [ __ ] way that
how did the
how does everyone not get arrested here
how did the police let this happen i had
this exact same reaction
that everyone who you talked to in the
elevator had hope who's just a regular
guest at that hotel
like what is a bunch of hackers here why
aren't the police here one of the police
arrest all these hackers like that was
my reaction
at age 20 in h in y2k
uh and i went and i had an absolute last
we we borrowed
my friend's dad's conversion ban oh you
know i was thinking of starting a
podcast
uh since defcon is canceled this year
and i was going to call it on
uh on the way to on the way to defcon
and it was going to be all just
people coming out and telling stories
about weird ways they've got they've
gotten to
defcon but my hope when was similar is
we borrowed my dad's
friend's dad's conversion van took all
the seats out except the
shotgun and the driver put futons in the
back
and we loaded up a cooler full of food
because we
didn't have money to stop for food and
um we we took off and that was it and
like i had 93
and we squatted in an nyu dorm that we
broke into
because it was summer so no one was
there and
uh that sunday was actually the start of
uh orientation week and so like we get
woken up at like
7 a.m on a sunday after like being up
all night at hope by these kids
whose room this is for the week like oh
we
there must be a mix up we'll go
downstairs and tell them someone's
already in here we're like no
no we'll take care of it we'll take
you wait here we'll go hey just one
minute
and we threw all of our stuff down the
fire escape
uh to avoid getting caught and it was
pouring outside
and i'm still missing a pair of pants
from that oh
yeah and so that's like we so you want
to talk about like oh it
costs the same to go to a con i don't
know man
um yeah um
yeah i mean i definitely think that
people are going to be getting more
inventive as time wears on
um and as things become more accessible
to people like i'm interested to see
kind of how hubs
kind of plays out mozilla has hubs which
is kind of like that lvr
but will change the face of technology
on the planet
for sure and we'll get some amazing
stuff coming out of this horrible time
and for absolute certainty going forward
this is going to be able to reach more
people
and you know when cons can start
actually
meeting in person and having that all
happen again you're probably going to
see even more people attending because
now they've had the access to
at least taste part of it as it's been
virtual
perhaps yeah as the infrastructure kind
of builds out i think you'll see more
and more of that
um but you also have i mean people again
like bunny
bunny doesn't work in information
security yeah um
bunny is uh works pretty normal
human person she's just works in the
service industry
unlike the rest of us and likes board
games and nerd [ __ ]
and yeah uh so she's like
certainly their company isn't paying her
to go to cons and also she
i lose money to go because i can't work
and you wouldn't go to most of these
cons anyway
but now if they're virtualized you can
throw them on in the background and
maybe learn something
like it you're opening the door to these
kinds for people who
uh don't even work in the industry who
would never go who didn't
perhaps didn't know this stuff even
existed
you know yeah like i mean when i when i
tell people like
during hope years you know coming up
like that i'm gonna go to new york city
for a hacker con everybody's like
that's a thing like nobody seems to know
that those exist
and i'm just like yeah they exist
they're very awesome i mean like you
don't have to be a hacker to go like
it's a learning
experience is really what it is and you
make
great friends you'll have great
experiences well and i think a hacker is
a mindset right you know it's
more of like you know trying to find
creative ways to solve problems you know
yeah it's literally a learning
experience that's what hacking is is
taking a thing and learning about it and
by learning about it usually you break
it into pieces and
put it back together maybe
possibly you hope to put it back
together yeah
um so speaking of you know learning and
creating
and all that jazz uh what have you guys
been up to during covet have you been
doing anything
fun as far as like creating new projects
learning new stuff for you know finding
creative ways to entertain yourselves or
new ways to entertain yourselves
what do you guys got going on this is my
cue to talk about werewolf
no yeah yeah tell us about where i was
so
uh the couple days ahead as we were all
anticipating we're all gonna go under
lockdown
a bunch of my i belong to a bunch of
board game meetups and
board game all the time um we wanted to
all you know still be able to hang out
board game together so we're like
hey let's join the site it's called
boardgamearena.com it's free for the
most part
uh you don't really have to pay to
get the enjoyment out of it we're like
let's all join this
yeah that's true gamearena.com it's free
the only thing that premium gets you is
you can select your colors like if you
want to if you want to be specific
colors during games you can kind of get
that a few games you do
a premium member has to open the table
but once the tables open anybody can
join
and these tables are always open so it's
pretty easy to always
do they have uh they do not have katan
uh they do have carcassonne another
little starter board game
they have a lot of they have a lot of
games on there they range the most some
of the european kind of
style games but they range from you know
basic family fun filler games to intent
and like
deep games and stuff uh but there's tons
i think there's
like three 300 some games on the site
and they're always adding um i've joined
the alpha actually just recently and
there's about
20 games in the alpha so they're
constantly moving new games in
thanks for sharing that i need to yeah i
know it's and
it's constantly busy at all times
because everybody across the world and
apparently the site's been running for
like five or six years and just
it's now taking off like the uh the
first two weeks that i was on the site
it was so hard
to get once you got logged in you were
pretty okay uh but
the site was dropping non-stop and every
single day they're like we gotta shut
down we gotta do server maintenance like
because everybody was just piling on
because everybody's going under lockdown
i wonder how many sites are like that
because of because of coved like
where they just yeah all of a sudden
there's huge influx because like people
are born
yeah they didn't expect it but i mean
they're they're doing good now
uh but yeah so anyways bunch of bunch of
board game friends were like hey let's
join this website we made like a discord
server so we can get
everybody kind of together send the
invites out at each other anything let's
let's play games
i was like so cool got on there i
haven't played a game with a single one
of my friends
because they're never on there but i
stuck on there uh started poking around
playing games because you know they're
all fun
uh and then i noticed they had a
werewolf uh
it's the the miller's uh hollow one
which is a version i wasn't familiar
with uh but most people know werewolf
typical
mafia style good guys versus bad guys
you vote people off in the day to kill
them if you're hoping to get a werewolf
in a werewolf at night you eat
um it's actually super fun uh there's
no visual and no talking they do have
for premium you could start a video chat
but no one uses it
because most people a lot of people are
premium and uh it's
kind of weird too uh so yeah it's just
all text based
um they do have on next to each little
house you're actually in a village
uh it's max 12 players in a village next
to each house there's like a little
thumbs up and thumbs down
so it works out for people i've played
games where no one else spoke english
um that was interesting uh you
essentially
can just thumbs up and thumbs down
people so you can
alert to the rest of the place that you
know hey i think this person's acting a
little suspect without actually having
to communicate
um and actually talk to them but it's
all through emojis huh
yeah you can if uh you want like when
you press like the thumbs down it'll say
something like i think so and so has
some fur hiding under their clothes
okay uh it'll say it'll pop up like
there's like three different
auto responses for them but uh but it
you know passes along and it works out
for
if you end up in a game where no one
speaks english with you or speaks the
same language
um but yeah you can always text so a lot
of lights you know you're just in there
and type it away
um it works really well i
i joined thinking this is going to be a
complete [ __ ] show
and you know immediately upon joining it
was actually nice everybody's very
friendly and they were like immediately
like oh
funny because it says like this player's
never played before it lets you know on
your first game
everybody's like oh my god bunny do you
know how to play like you're wearing i'm
like i've played so much werewolf
outside this it's
i'm fine i just don't know how to do
this without talking to you
um yeah i played one game and i was like
actually that
worked out really well um and so i've
been
playing non-stop werewolf all the time
with the
i've met tons of friends now and uh it's
really interesting because it the best
thing i like about it is for most people
who aren't
super familiar with the game um the game
isn't about
talking and spying that person who just
looks guilty in the face
that's actually not it there's always
information in these games even when it
seems like there's not
and voting is the biggest source of
information in the game
and this because all of that talking
face-to-face and
you're not paying attention to people uh
all you see are votes now you can just
clearly pay attention to the votes and
so much information comes out there
and it's really easier i think to play
online when i'm not talking
than it is in person because you get
distracted by all the visuals that are
happening
and so cool awesome when i was a big uh
board game fan up until i mean i still
am but i haven't been able to play many
board games um and there's
um there's a tabletop simulator on steam
as well as another real popular one
called tabletopia
where tons of boarding manufacturers are
uh importing their board games into
these simulators that you can then play
with friends and so that's pretty cool
because effectively it's just a physics
engine and then you just import your
cards and dice
and crap into this yeah um that's
that's a really good one as well or
board games and
jack in the box they have made bang
checkbox
freaking expensive jackpots like their
sales are like
they're only thirty dollars you're like
they uh at the very start
i i opted out to buy in because all my
friends have copies but at the very
start of lockdown they were dropping
them and people were available by him
for like
10 bucks a piece and so a lot of you
dropped all the crappy ones is what
happened
um no a lot of my friends were able they
were just constantly paying attention so
some of the people got
the newer ones for fairly cheap if you
got them generally through
jack box like steam never really dropped
very much i don't like the newer ones
that's my problem really the newest one
is the best it has murder party too and
murder party 2 is hilarious
it also has the one social deduction
game that they have which is uh
the alien game uh push the button
i like the uh the bidding where the the
bidding war where you been
on the heart i'm so bad at that one oh i
wrecked that game i'm so good at it
everyone hates that game and i'm the
only one ever wants to play it
i'm just bad at it i don't hate it i'm
just mad at that one i love it
you just gotta pay attention it's all it
is yeah no well like
they do like i remember we played one
not that long ago and everybody had very
money oriented ones so every single
drawing was about money and i'm like
they all look like right yeah like okay
i'll just bid on everything
yeah i ended up buying uh like negative
pretty much amounts like it was horrible
yeah
i've only played i played poker
virtually and we did it through poker
stars
and then had like a zoom so we could
like [ __ ] talk and stuff
yeah yeah that was that was fun and it
was weird
one of my buddies was in seattle and
apparently in seattle you're not allowed
to use poker stars
so he vpn through chicago so that he can
do poker stars
play poker with no money like we did the
money through venmo
so it's like right so anyway it was uh
it was a little ridiculous but we we
made it work but i got some friends that
always want to play
uh katan like where we both have boards
um
check out it's a site i don't i don't
want to do that
no that's there's virtual there's katan
vr now
which is just if you feel like wearing a
vr mask
we're missing the big point everybody
realizes niantic is dropping their next
game
right and that's what are you going to
play with
i don't know i don't i'm not i actually
stopped playing i stopped playing
pokemon go
so i'm not going to play in katan
but yeah they're dropping it it's the
next game the harry potter one's been
out for a while now and it's going well
and so now they're gonna drop it and i
don't understand
because like my friend said i was like
great so i can walk around and offer
wood for sheep
like here i have some wood for you can i
have your sheep
we do just like like a pokemon like you
can run into strangers and you're not
saying really weird things to them
except for like hey you want to do this
raid
uh and said i'm just going to meet
people in the street and be like can i
have your sheep
like katana is already a very boring
game a little bit
it's not the most but it does go too
long for the
for the experience certainly i don't
want to go walk around outside
and just trying to find somebody giving
you some sheep i'm like holy [ __ ] but
niantic is doing it
it's supposed to be released i think
here like in the next month
literally all of that sounds like a
terrible idea
it sounds like the worst time yeah i
mean
definitely that but also like yeah katan
isn't the most
exciting or interesting in my opinion
yeah i mean it's not the worst game
is the modern monopoly see i like um
yeah okay i like risk a lot but like
nobody likes to cause that one is like
an all-night game
you know you have to play for a long
time but uh
katana i mean you can get it down in an
hour
no sometimes not if you're playing with
seven people and three of them
true but if before get like a full game
it takes a lot of time if you're doing
competitive katan yeah
it's one-on-one pros and you get a
40-minute
i i always like to suggest carcassonne
for the starter games
instead of getting people in contain
sure
yeah i think because carcassonne is it's
about the same
i feel like the same style like the same
concept it's easy to get
and kind of go with but then once you
learn it there's fun strategies and the
farmers really
up the gay once you understand farmers
but the game doesn't take
hours and so now that used to be
uh me and my wife would play that over
lunch
oh dropping the wife like oh yeah i got
a wife
sorry ladies beaches is taken yeah wow
we're just i'm just trying to be
friendly with the board games
well something no oh sorry i got a wife
well so the the point that i was gonna
make is that like so
um we used to live in a town that was
like the middle of nowhere two square
miles
uh and so we had a bunch of board games
and stuff but like most board games
aren't two-player
so you're like all right do you want to
play chess uh
or they say they're two-player and it's
like it like really plays bad
two-player yeah you can technically do
this but it's terrible
um but uh yeah so parkinson's
great uh the solitaire games the games
beaches go get uh go get onitama
for a good two player game it's only two
player it's a fun take on chess
looks really cute get a little mad near
these little people it's a fun take on
chess
and it works
i t-a-m-a okay let's talk
favorite solitaire games
board games that have a one player
option so magic maze
is this crazy game i don't know if you
all know about this game i bought it
uh ages ago after getting to play it at
a board game conference
uh they actually just dropped it on
alpha and board game arena so
you can play it solo it's actually
easier
in solo because you don't have to rely
on other people but it's a great game
in general it plays i think you can do
like 10 people max or something it's
very panicky um
what do we call it's like panic mode or
stress mode on panic like it's
yeah you just kind of lose your mind
because the game's played in silence i
should note that
there's no talking that sounds very fun
but you have a time it's a timed game
and you
as a group it's all co it's a co-op as a
group you have to essentially you're in
a mall it's a funny theme you're in a
mall trying to steal items and exit
so in the first round you as a team have
to take four meeples get them to the
item spots and then
round two starts and you have to get to
the exit spots your times
on this and no one can talk and
you each of you has a specific movement
so you can obviously move up down left
or right
someone can use a search function
someone can use portals and someone's
can use escalators
on a smaller games you have multiple
movements so i could maybe be the only
person that can move left
i think you have a specific like a mall
version because i'm seeing like magic
maze on mars i'm seeing magic maze and
it has like
the original like just magic maze itself
is the
this theme is a mall and you're grabbing
items and running
uh yes okay it's hard to tell that's an
escalator i'm looking at the box
art got it it's a
it's a white the white box but yeah no
it's actually really fun game
can be played solo however i do say it's
easy mode on solo because
you control everything so all it's just
you fighting against the timer which is
still very short
um but it is a solar game that is fun to
play
and you if you have it it can play it's
at least 10 people if not more
uh wow that's cool i uh
it's super panic but it is a good game
and i've
i've been alpha testing and i'm using
the longest time frame because the moves
are still weird since it's on a computer
but in the regular time frame i'm still
panicked playing it solo
so what's the what's the game i'm
thinking about the one with it's like a
wooden triangle and it's got like golf
tees
and it has like one that's missing
you're looking at the one
yeah you're an ignoramus you're an
ignoramus if you don't do very well
uh that's out of all cracker barrels
it's like cracker rails
it's really easy uh as a kid as a very
young kid
you just have to leave there's just the
one specific hole you just leave that
one empty and it's like a rubik's cube
once you do it one time you're like
oh i can't do that and i can't do a
rubik's cube
i i can't i can't yeah it's a game that
once you figure it out
it's then you got it then yeah it's not
really fun anymore
all right i found magic maze for 15
bucks there you go yeah it should be
fairly cheap i bought it uh
two awesome two years ago like when it
first came out i played it like once and
it was a late night at a
conference and we arranged we had like
four of us playing to like 10 of us or
whatever we arranged
we played it for like five hours
straight and then i was like yep i'm
buying this tomorrow morning cool
yeah i love board game cons that's what
i like gen con's canceled this year
yeah my board game conference got
cancelled this year and i'm
they just announced it they were trying
to hope they can push it and it didn't
work
you go to you go to gen con to play
board games like you're not like they're
trying to virtualize it and they're
doing it but like
i i know i mean so for the board games
like
i'm just interested to see how it don't
happen
did you see have you done true dungeon
yeah
the the virtual true dungeon seems
interesting not as fun
i mean i don't necessarily disagree with
you but it does seem interesting and it
seems like it could be fun
i could get way more fun virtual true
dungeons like i can just go to the games
the app store and buy them on my quest
like
come on okay just don't have your
conference
like we all understand why you're not
having it save your money
do a great one next year or something
i don't think i'd want to try there was
talk for the the the board game
conference i do is
it's a local one that's about 3 000 ish
people that do it's an every year one
uh there was talk from a lot of people
of like hey can we try to get
the same group of people a lot of us are
all locals and trying to get it together
as a virtual and i was just like i mean
i basically have done that my entire
lockdown it's just you know line and
play games with people
and often we're over like in discord on
voice chat or whatever together talking
anyway so
you don't want more of that yeah it's
just the same thing i've been doing
and that's that's a big part of it is
like oh these virtual conferences
well we're everything we're doing is all
of our interactions
is virtual right now we like we don't
get it we used to get excited about
going to a conference we're not excited
about going to virtual conferences it
feels like work it literally feels like
work
i've signed up for two that i never even
logged in for because i was like i do
not
i just have no interest in this [ __ ] um
i got my other stuff i'm doing man i've
been doing so many home improvement
projects i've been repairing
all of the broken stuff that's been
piling up here forever that i
didn't want to sit and waste a day
of just sitting and fixing this thing
but you know what i did to motivate
myself to start doing these projects is
i started streaming it on twitch
so when i'm like all right cool i have
these two broken guitars i need to
repair
let me fire up twitch and i'm gonna
repair them on stream and that's cool
because you get to meet new people and
make new friends
i'm at least verbally discussing things
with people i'm
still educating people like i like to
i'm still working doing things i like
doing
and now i also don't feel like i'm
wasting my time doing them because
twitch um so that's that's a new thing
i'm doing in kovit to stay sane
you know i used to go speak all at least
monthly somewhere
and that kind of lets me still get that
itch
scratch that itch um while not really
twitch it's not as great and twitch has
its own
problems and [ __ ] but um it's
it's been fun and i'm surprised at the
response that i've gotten off of it
that's awesome for sure yeah i've been
doing the same thing i've been trying to
do some house projects and we just got
chickens
too so there is an amazing twitch
chicken stream
i should check that out i'm not i'm not
even on twitch i was like i was just
looking at it
um so actually i there's a a uh
system called our chicken life is by the
way it's twitch.com
our chicken life and it's just chickens
and you get to spend
50 baits and getting some snacks
it's great it's the most zen [ __ ] i
always get
chicken posts now and so somebody had
one of like a
chicken with a there's a race car and
had chicken feet on the back and it was
a race car like a track and like all
these chickens were
chasing it and then there was like
announcer announcing the winners of the
chickens and all this kind of stuff
i'm like i'm doing that so i went and
got one of these race cars in it for my
chickens
yeah and um and
sorry no you're down a bunch of chickens
the chat distracted me
but uh sorry
so so i got the written but so i and i
put a bunch of there's a chat
no i put a bunch of feed in the in the
back of this car
i'm like all right the chickens are
gonna love this and um
they were terrified of the race car so
now now the chickens are just
i use it to hurt them back into the coop
if they're out and about i can't get
them back in
that's pretty hilarious i grew up
we used to breed rabbits so i had
rabbits and ducks growing up
nice i've been wanting i've been losing
ducks is the next thing i want but i got
to get some ducks
they're mean and rapey i
my ducks were perfectly fine
because you domesticated them but like
you know wild ducks yeah like they're
they're they're actually one of the
rapiest uh animals out there besides
dolphins
i don't know what it is no that's true
like
any of the podcasts that i come on end
up involving
duck rape and i don't understand it's
because
it's probably because there was like a
cracked article on it once no no
no no i know i know what it is uh this
is uh
god do you guys remember a youtube guy
named z frank he got known for sad cat
diaries
that was the big thing he went viral for
and he also did sad cat
or sad dog diary they're adorable you
should watch them yeah they're on tick
tock now
he does uh a bunch of other videos he
has a very morgan freeman voice so it's
they're really nice and fun to listen to
um
but he does the truth about and he picks
random animals so there's been like the
truth about
ducks there's like truth about i think
he did chinchillas once
a bunch of random animals he did ducks
and he went through this whole spiel
and he explained how they're extremely
rapey as in this video
teaches you that over the years a female
duck's vagina has
evolved off the rape
this is a fallacy ducks being rapey does
not inherently mean
all other animals are not rapey no no
you're i said they were the most rapey
along with dolphins
right and so i'm saying how do you judge
most rapey
do you know how many animals there are
like how do you even determine consent
within the animal
because the china wards off the penis
because
just so into it that they created that
vagina
using the fact the period of time a
female's duck is now like their vagina
is a corkscrew shape and it has evolved
to be
an opposite corkscrew shape so hopefully
the male ducks penis won't make it in
there
this is the way i look at it humans are
super rapey
as well and our vaginas have actually
not even evolved
to stop that but a ducks has so that's
what i took it on
uh if but i think we as like super
reaping humans like
our rapiness is is is psychological
convincing
i'm just i'm just saying if if a speed
like an animal's body
has evolved to have a vagina that
hopefully can
stop the rape how do you know that
vagina wasn't the first one
i mean i was told they were changed
like what if if it changed what i mean
there's a prior one
conspiracy i mean i'm with bonnie and
this one the evidence suggests
i mean i think she's got a logical
argument here that the only reason why
dolphins take it takes
number one spot is because they will
rape things out of their species
ducks keep it to ducks how do you know
that uh there's been lots of articles no
i mean how do you know ducks keep it the
ducks
i'm just saying the date you just don't
have a large enough because because it
hasn't there hasn't been information
coming out saying that ducks
granted they did it that's my point if
you're relying on whatever comes across
your reddit feed
to determine like that's what creates
your game
no you're myspace
no i'm just saying there haven't been
reports of ducks raping things outside
ducks
but there have been reports of dolphins
raping outside dolphins so that puts
dolphins in my mind ahead
but ducks have raped dead ducks that's a
that that has been
so dolphins raped just
other animals in the water yeah so
dolphins
dolphins self-stimulate um
i guess masturbate might be the word uh
and so they inherently by way of that
just kind of rub
themselves against whatever they come
across which
can be other animals uh and so yeah
[Laughter]
so what's like what's the glory hole of
the ocean like what are
what what's like what is like their
favorite thing is this the is this the
the point of the podcast where probably
the things that lay still like
what's the glory hill of the axe yes
yep what's the glory of the ocean i
would say things that probably lie in
the bottom of the ocean that don't
really move so it's easily accessed
is but getting to the bottom of the
ocean is very difficult for most
creatures
well it depends on which part of the
ocean it was you want it it's not
it's not like a super deep part of the
ocean i mean i guess
in real life glory holes are in places
where everyone goes they're in airports
and truck stops
you know they're in very heavily uh
maybe the glory hole is the dolphin
itself
no because the like like if i don't if i
don't want to experience a glory hole
that's very easy for me to do
whereas if a dolphin wants you to
experience it
it's hard to avoid them dolphins have
like
i mean they'll be like 400 dolphins in
an orgy like they
they get after it they party hard
and then
i wouldn't want four people in my orgy
well i don't know
i don't know that all dolphins do either
i feel like
less oh that's a bit all right good
that's a solid point
i just want to make the point that i
think if it's less than four people it's
by definition
not gorgi i think it needs to be
actually more than four like
you can have up to three some but i
think foursome i don't think that's the
line of an
orgy i think it still needs more
could just be a pair two pairs
essentially half the time
this is we what we can do we've gotten
very off topic
i don't you just go look at this welcome
to radio stattler
[Laughter]
where we come onto your podcast and make
it just like our podcast
yeah to be fair like kyle started this
yeah i did i
well you guys you guys uh you wrote me
in you guys oh we didn't you know
you you edit that out because you
started that well
i know but i'm just saying like you guys
rubbed off on me like a dolphin
oh god oh
sorry i'll rub off on you all right
that's a good uh
good way to end the podcast i think um
what's your
what's your guys's final thoughts you
guys got any words of hope
wish us luck yeah we're gonna need it
yeah this is i mean hope is nine
days nine days like you want to talk
about like virtual conferences like
going over the top and being like all
right we don't need this nine days
nine days and it happened very quickly
this wasn't a thing they were planning
for nine days
and i still don't know what platform
we're streaming on yeah
this is a last minute choice for them
and so it's becoming a last-minute thing
for everybody
how many hours of radio is that i can't
even do nine times 24.
um i actually i did the math
so they had us um it's in my inbox let
me see
how many hours how much time frame would
you need so for
for the workshops they ask you like how
much time do you need for your workshop
and it's like
uh at most 216 hours
yeah yeah like well nine days is how
long our workshop
is uh the the upside is that we know we
control radio statler and there's no
requirements put on it
and so we can we can have dead air
i mean you don't have to stream for 260
dollars you can stream for
are you going to try to oh yeah i mean
yeah i think the goal is to do it
and i it's going to be late night hours
that might go dead but i think yeah
the problem is just having someone
having someone who can man
the station for 216 hours that's the
problem
i'm a big fan of like the 3 a.m open
night open mic like
if you want to come in and just scream
baba bowie for two hours like come on in
and we get that and it happened that's
that's what radio styler is
and it's fine because we didn't have
anything else going on yeah
the late like the late night shows are
some of my favorites hands down because
that's when you get like just the
weirdest
[ __ ] um come on in oh and it's also when
you're after 26 o'clock
and then you have like drunk board game
nights and then like in between
like 5 a.m and seven it's either dead
silent or you're just going
yeah and it's because that's when the
rest of the world is waking up too so
that's when you get a lot of your
listeners outside of the country
um and so yeah especially our nighttime
hours
is daytime for a lot of other people and
so
it's been quite popular
sweet well um i'm i'm excited to join if
you guys will still have me
yeah yeah after that dolphin comment i
feel like
that's more of a like 3am kind of
conversation you've already put yourself
into this now
there is so there's this um this thing
that
um that we did one time we called it
is it space junk and it's a fun game
where you get drunk
and you listen to electronic music and
when a new song comes on
um you close your eyes and you try to
picture where you are and if you're in
space and there's a bunch of junk flying
around it's space junk and if it's not
that then it's not space junk so
that's a fun game to play when you're
when you're drunk and you're just
goofing off we could actually play
sounds of space though too
that's true and that sounds actually
very calming while drunk even
i i will also agree with that except for
saturn the sounds of saturn are
literally like the sounds of hell we
will not
put that over 100 i'm gonna put that no
oh i'm doing it it's too late
i listened to it there were sounds of
each planet and saturn was
literally hell it's awful
the rest of them are very nice and
calming and peaceful and i love them
very zen
all right well we'll we'll debate it on
uh radio statler
i submit that saturn is space junk so
well it's rings on me its rings are
definitely space junk yeah
[Laughter]
what's up fight me bro but i think about
space junk as like
satellites and [ __ ] like that like [ __ ]
that we put up no i'll fight saturn on
air
you get saturn on air and we'll we'll
settle this all right
my bets on saturn all right
bringing on saturn saturn has shitty
arguments
sentence our
sounds like [ __ ] dialing up to aol
[Laughter]
oh man i missed the dial update do you
no that's a weird sentence
i just missed that sound like i get such
a nostalgia from that sound
you are aware that you don't have to use
dial up to hear the sound i was gonna
say set your phone ringtone to it but
nobody calls people anymore okay i guess
i guess i miss the sound i don't miss
the slowness and the the
how crappy it was but at first just you
gotta set that for like every time you
get a text
that's what goes on yeah so if you're
having a conversation it's just a
cavalcade of computers dialing up fax
machines
well guys uh this has been a lot of fun
and um i'm excited to to continue this
journey
and this has been the record for the
record of
how many people have been on the cypher
con podcast
at one time so um let's
next time we get together let's let's
beat it all right
we can bring the numbers let's bring the
numbers let's get this let's get real
weird
okay you should do that like once a
quarter do an episode where you invite
the entire internet
to join your podcast and you just put it
on twitter um
let me tell you hey that's not a bad
idea uh art
johnny you know system and trivia they
do that also where they
yeah they do it once a year
or just forgot about that i've been like
twice and that's
those so they're probably they have a
big barrier
uh because you have to like get mumble
all set up with their certificate and
[ __ ] so like nobody joins
who is just screwing around like anyone
who joins like has a purpose and intent
and so that kind of ruins it i feel like
whereas if you just post like your
hangouts link can go
hi though hangouts is still prohibitive
because it's uh
like 10 it used to be like a 10 person
cap
oh yeah you can have 10 people and then
you can [ __ ] yourself like
uh-huh number 11 get out of here
does not go to 11. i got it look i got a
200 meg pipe here
we can i can push audio pretty hard
antarctica you're on the air that are
together you're on the air
yeah antarctica let's uh let's get you
guys in this here
let's get you guys anyone out there if
you've got hookups
no people bring them because that's the
thing is everyone says they know
somebody like oh i got my cousin's
brother
works in a space station in antarctica
what i'm still surprised that there's
not just one
city like there's not there's no cities
there's there are no cities there's zero
cities
but there's more than one place we got
one russia's got one china's got one oh
yeah
probably indiana it's because we can't
work together
well they all work together so they're
on different places and they share data
and correct like
it's like space like there's a russian
space station that we share
you know yeah scientists are generally
good at sharing there's not a lot of
like weird patriotism in that realm
hopefully yeah
general but let's get antarctica to
listen to radio statler live that's all
we need
right guys it's some kind of screenshot
as evidence
if you know somebody working in
antarctica in a couple weeks who
has access to streaming audio on the
internet please
tweet at radiostatler uh
and and honestly i will tell you we will
make like we will down mix we will do
whatever it takes we will be very
accommodating extreme
small no we will move heaven and earth
give you a massage
massage your feet will give you virtual
foot massage
it's a little difficult to do a virtual
foot massage without getting into the
territory that's very very similar to
tele dyldonics
uh but technically it is possible i i
100 believe in our ability
to do virtual foot massages the big way
if that is needed
and this one i'll give you this one
all right let's uh everyone give us your
best wink
and then we're we're done this is it a
story all right are we gonna do it like
we're gonna count down to this one three
yeah we'll do three we'll do three two
one okay
three two one
all right signing off thanks guys it's
been fun
give you the guns